Groklaw shuts down over fears of email snooping

OWS is proof of that. We need to redeploy OWS, this time with 1000X the numbers.

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Nothing will stop NSA metadata except a system like bitmessage. Based loosely on the bitcoin protocol, it has amazing features and is currently in development.

Huh. Color me intrigued. Guess I’ll test it out to see how easy it would be to pass on to all of the people I’ve successfully scared about the NSA.

Do you have an Internet-connected machine?

Do you know that it doesn’t have a government-ordered keylogger in the BIOS? Or in the operating system? Note that simply answering “I run Linux” is not enough; if you run a commercial Linux distribution, you are not safe. You have to self-build, on separate air-gapped boxes with toolchains from different distributions, then build again with the toolchains you just built, and verify that the object code is identical. Even that won’t protect you from the Brian Kernighan “Reflections on trusting trust” scenario.

How do you do your GPG key management? Have you personally verified the identity of your correspondents, had them sign their keys in your presence, and then copied the keys manually and destroyed the original hardware? (Note that this scenario is unavailable to PJ, who needs to accept email from strangers in order to do what she does.)

Even taking that paranoid approach, I suspect, offers no protection. I strongly suspect that the key component vendors, Intel and AMD, have backdoors built into the hardware (under gag order). No matter what encryption you use, if the machine tracks all your interactions, your keystore is an open book.

And from this there’s no escape. Nobody but a large corporation or the government can support the huge foundry needed to manufacture modern chips. In the electronic sphere, we’ve lost to the surveillance state. Permanently and irrevocably.

Fortunately, the US government will always treat its citizens benignly, unless they’re criminals or traitors, so we have nothing at all to fear.

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Since we are taking it into stupid land here, lets assume we need to wear tinfoil hats to keep those evil mind control rays they have from working.

Screw that noise. If you want change study up on the fight for unionization when it came to mines in the early 20th century.

And just where the fuck did I threaten violence?

I just said it is the last resort when it comes to a continued grievous rights violation when peaceful methods have failed.

And you are very much wrong as it does require very much being clever to exercise it in a effective manner.

I’m sorry, I honestly can’t hear you over the knuckle dragging.

So logic has failed and it is time to resort to petty insults?

You’re the one dropping f bombs and making references to ammo boxes, so, whenever you went there, yes, it got petty. You did that.

Not clever.

Sure, but it’s indisputable that they’re changing the conversation. That’s my point here: the conversation can be changed. “I’m not a political person” sounds a lot like saying “I don’t care enough about this issue to risk anything over it.” Which is a shame.

Look, I don’t know what will work these days. The powerful clearly do not fear insurrection or communism… yet. So perhaps you are right. But sabotaging the means of production will be prosecuted as terrorism, and any group advocating it will be rounded up faster than kiddie pornographers at an FBI convention. Of course advocating violence is not an actual criminal offense (1st amendment and all). That’s why the government had to keep straining to paint Anwar Al-Awlaki as an “operational” member of a terrorist group. But our government is utterly lawless when it comes to protecting its own power. I’m afraid nothing is going to stop this juggernaut but its own arrogance and oversteps. Law “enforcement” is out of control, drunk and mad in its power. This is going to get way worse before it gets any better.

look, i’m on snowden’s side here. nsa: boo! etc.

but i remember groklaw wanting to shut dwon for awhile. see http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/72253.html.

is pj really shutting down over the nsa thing, or because she’s just done with groklaw and wants to do something else? i remember a hue and cry last time as the sco/linux stuff was winding down. maybe people will be more sympathetic to a shutdown now.

let’s be skeptical and ask questions all the time, not just when it’s about giant government agencies trampling humanity underfoot.

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