Pro-gun rights advocates are not victims of a culture that rationalizes marginalization, abuse, and physical harm against them no matter how much they might like to imagine themselves victims. They are not a minority that suffers any real abuse other than the occasional insult in debates where they are quick to offer their own deeply insulting additions like suggesting that any kind of regulation of a right is akin to gay-bashing.
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Wow, justā¦ wow 0.o
You couldnāt have reinforced my post more effectively if that had been your sole purpose.
I should have known better than to post in a thread of this nature. Thank you for the reminder.
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Conversation and exchange is a give-and-take. When āgun controlā is on the agenda, it only moves one way, towards citizen disarmament.
That might be a reflection of the extreme state of reality, not the extreme state of mind of those wishing to modify the current reality.
Strange thing about absolute black and white thinking, isnāt it? That sometimes itās you.
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No, youāre not the one who shouldnāt be posting in this thread.
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The point in it is he was bounced from the publication as he was arguing for decreased rights for the group.
And yes, those in places like Chicago, CA, or NY are a victim of a culture in which demonizes legal owners as being criminals and constantly works on reducing their right.
On top of that those some places work against ones right to be able to defend themselves when attacked. A sidearm is very much a appropriate tool as it is easier and quicker to learn than becoming good with hand to hand.
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In this case, affordable and available guns and ammo with insufficient government regulation. Right?
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VVelox, you also forgot 3D printing. IMHO, gun control is absolutely moot, post-Defense Distributed. Anyone can print out a gun now if they have a couple of thousand bucks for a replicator, and those costs will only go down as the technology gets more pervasive.
Preventing it will be like preventing music/movie/porn filesharing. Impossible.
Better start educating and arming, because it canāt be stopped. And soon, it wonāt be an American āproblemā but one that is at issue anywhere the open internet exists. Iām not saying this is good or bad, because it isnāt a moral issue. Itās a technological one, like the rise of social networks. No one has to participate, but choosing not to do so will have asymmetric costs and benefits.
As a tangent: Iām frankly disturbed by the calling of people āantisā in this thread. I always though BoingBoingers were a bit too classy and intelligent to be so dehumanizing.
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Allowing someone who dared to stray from gun freak dogma to be heard was not a mistake. His apology was a mistake. Too bad he didnāt stand his ground.
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Could you pose a few examples of these ādefensiveā weapons you speak of?
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Well played.
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You are saying calling people antis is bad? I am not the one lobbing insults about. What I am calling them is purely based on the stance on the second amendment.
And from what I can tell I am the only one actually willing to talk on this issue, yet I am being insulted etc as I am pointing out that the otherside has no intention of talking.
You are not a victim no matter how much you wish you were one. When you are married to an ideology, you are divorced from reality.
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i donāt recall any school shootings either but iāve read many accounts from that time of celebrity gangsters like john dillinger who favored the thompson or bonnie and clyde who preferred the browning automatic rifle. it seems to me that the national firearms act of 1934 was passed primarily because of the activities of those folks and othersā¦ itās easy to make assertions about what gun control is if you leave out the context.
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Go read āTo Ride, Shoot Straight, And Speak The Truthā by āJeff Cooperā. It includes a break down of the various purposes for various firearms.
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You kinda missed my main point, which is that gun control canāt work in a world where anyone can create a gun at the push of a button. I am a gun owner and a CCW permit holder; I believe that the Second Amendment allows for personal gun ownership and that mostly the people who oppose that arenāt going about it in the right way. (Repeal the 2nd Amendment.)
Secondly, I am perfectly willing to talk on this issue. I think my post was completely reasonable, so I think it is unfair to paint yourself as the only sane voice in the room.
Thirdly, I think that calling people āantisā is a poor rhetorical trick to paint people as their ill-considered positions, thereby making it easier to discredit the people and therefore their position. I also thought BB was a bit classier (or at least more intelligent) than to resort to that. Itās basically ad hominem. Also: it weakens your (correct) position, though the way you and I get to the correctness of the position seemes to be different. Iām being very utilitarian in that I see gun control as trying to stop the inevitable tide of technology and therefore an exercise in silliness.
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Really? According to the UN Global homicide study from 2011 itās 3 or 4 times more likely to get killed via homicide in the USA than in Western Europe where the GUN laws are very strict.
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A healthy exchange of ideas first requires ideas, and the inclination to actually think about them.
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Oh ? Iām just quoting the advocates of Gun Control:
Piers Morgan: āIād love, Dana, to set the line at zeroā
Democratic Austin City Council member and potential next mayor Mike Martinez admitted during a speech that the Obama administrationās long term gun control agenda is focused on banning firearms altogether.
I could go on. But I think Iāve made my point. To quote Ambassador Mollari of the Centauri, itās like being nibbled to death by cats. . . .
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Um, what about that 'Well Regulated Militia" that the freedom to bear arms is supposed to enable?
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No, is not a rhetorical trick. They are anti-second amendment. It is a basic statement of their position.
Again you are attacking me instead of calling out the people who are lobbing actual insults.
I also never commented on that part of your post.
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