Was the subculture around Homestuck something qualitatively different to other web-based fandoms?
I mean, there are a load of other things that seem to exude the same sort of vibe, from the other webcomics where the author hangs out in the forum, to the cartoon fandoms that transcend and transform the series, to the blogs whose comment sections are a vital part of “getting” the whole experience (self-aware aside glance at the fourth wall).
Isn’t this just another case of “the interaction is the experience”, which is very internetty.
From what i understand it was the sheer number of people involved. I’ve also seen fan creations span a pretty wide variety of mediums from cosplay, to music, animation, etc. Generally you only see this for bigger well established properties not webcomics.
I’d been contemplating what made me drop off Homestuck after a while, and this hits the nail on the head. The thickness of the referential loops got too much for me to push through. Of course, I didn’t get involved with the community, so maybe I was missing stuff anyway.
I have an autographed Problem Sleuth print on my wall, but Homestuck is something I stuck with only because it became one of those things that I’d gotten too far into and that I needed to see how it ended. I still have no clear idea exactly what was going on one-third of the time and I doubt there are any answers forthcoming (though I expect there most certainly will be an epilogue that will only create more questions).
TT: People were less prepared for a double juggalo presidency than they ever imagined.
TT: I’m not even going to get into all the horrifying details. Trust me, you just start to feel dirty reading about it.
TT: From the moment Fieri held up the bible to swear them in, and the three of them proceeded to publically defecate on it while freestyling rap lyrics…
TT: That was it. Everyone in the world watching it on TV just said, “Welp. Show’s over. Civilization was pretty cool while it lasted.”
[quote=“Phrenological, post:29, topic:89914”]i gave up quickly with Homestuck because I ran out of time, far denser than say Dave Sim’s weird worldbuilding work.[/quote]I never read Dave Sim, but what I know of Cerebus led me to think that Homestuck was not entirely dissimilar in the sense that it felt like the product of an author who had become slightly unhinged and/or drunk with power.
[quote=“Medievalist, post:32, topic:89914”](But Dresden Codak is still the best current Internet art.)
[/quote]I tried reading Dresden Codak. The one-offs are quite brilliant, but much of the rest of the content appears to be flagrantly self-indulgent, pretentious, and incomprehensible. Homestuck at least felt like something that was playing to some kind of community, but I can’t see how Dresden Codak is supposed to work outside of the author’s own mind.
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In Homestuck’s case the participation became a finely tuned feedback loop, somewhat qualitatively different than drunk with power. I feel like I’m definitely dancing around it even as I attempt to talk about it.
I get what you’re saying, but it’s been done over and over again in various forms pre and post interwebs.
Nothing special or even new.
Also I gave not two poops when HS was in it’s prime, and give not two poops now.
I primarily enjoy the artistic style, personally. I used to buy Metal Hurlant before the English version (Heavy Metal magazine) was available, and I’ve never learned French.
But I’ve come to appreciate the Kimiko Ross stories, too.
I suspect that if an artistic endeavor works for absolutely everyone, it’s probably not good art. It seems like there needs to be something more than just pretty colors, mass appeal or lack of controversy; to my mind the McDonald’s cheeseburger is not a work of art, regardless of what Andy Warhol or Marcel Duchamp might say about my unsophisticated tastes.
Never got into Homestuck. The overly banal beginning was a bit of hurdle, I guess.
I did, however, develop a slow-burn fondness for Prequel. Roughly the same concept (inspired by Homestuck, I believe). But furrier, with very particular inside jokes about the Elder Scrolls game world and with sometimes very questionable interactivity – the author seems to ask for community suggestions and then apparently decides “screw it, I want this to happen instead” a bit too often.
Sounds kind of crap described like that, doesn’t it? I find it quite delightful, particularly in the bare bones but very expressive art and animation style, and the level of love for the craft apparent in the occasional narrative mini games that move the plot forward. I certainly cared more about those cat and lizard person characters than I ever did about their uglier, less-plot-developed versions in the games.
It’s also still ongoing, sort of (long hiatus right now) so you can still have the community experience, or whatever. To me that mostly means having to wait for episodes in real time, so yay I guess.