Husband and wife terror team behind San Bernardino massacre had thousands of bullets

[anon15383236]

In case no one’s mentioned it, Democracy Now! Is my fave.

[awfulhorrid]

@TooGoodToCheck_

And yet if a non-technical person talks about their CPU and it’s obvious they actually mean computer, I still know what they’re talking about, so unless I feel like being a dick I generally just let it slide.

Sure, but imagine that I’m standing there as a relatively neutral person listening to the one who’s using these terms incorrectly and someone who uses them correctly speaking. The second person tries to explain the difference between the terms and the first person insists that there is no actual difference and the second is trying to push some unnamed agenda yadda yadda yadda. Frankly, I’m more likely to start listening to the second person, seeing as how they’re using the correct terms and therefore seem to know more about the actual subject.

Words matter. Terminology matters.

[anon68952647]

Fascinating read. Amazing DATA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/mass-shootings-in-america/

[anon68952647]

@awfulhorrid

The second person tries to explain the difference between the terms and the first person insists that there is no actual difference and the second is trying to push some unnamed agenda yadda yadda yadda.

In the case you describe, both sides have an agenda.

You just happen to agree with one of them,

[navarro]

i’m not sure what your agenda is here but if two people are having a discussion i’m likely to be more interested in what the one whose agenda is “words matter” says than in the other one.

[jsroberts]

I was secretly hoping that one would be a woman, and now I feel bad.

[aeon]

@jsroberts

I was secretly hoping that one would be a woman, and now I feel bad.

And I was quietly hoping they’d be immigrants so I could point out how they had demonstrated just how well they’d integrated into US society by ‘going postal’ in a very traditionally American fashion. Then I thought better of it. And now I’ve done it anyway and I’m a bad, bad person for even thinking it …

[anon68952647]

@navarro

i’m not sure what your agenda is here but if two people are having a discussion i’m likely to be more interested in what the one whose agenda is “words matter” says than in the other one.

I am squarely in the words are cheap, actions matter camp; may we meet again at the barricades.

[anon68952647]

@LDoBe

And I want you to explicitly state what agenda you think I have while you’re accusing me of intellectual dishonesty.

I believe your agenda is to, via intellectual dishonesty,cause the appearance of exactly such a claim having being made against yourself, from me, when you just made that shit up form whole cloth and ego.

@LDoBe

Discussing in good faith is what separates community members from trollies, and so far, everything you’ve said to me in this thread hasn’t been a good faith attempt at engagement.

Everything? Perhaps I am mocking you ,gently.

@LDoBe

Or would you lose too much face

I have no idea what your ego is doing here, sounds like you have a face thing going on>

I do know that good faith that is not.

@LDoBe

I’d expect you to start name calling instead,

Totally not what you are doing though. Staaaaaahp!

@LDoBe

since your insistence on me backing some nefarious agenda can’t actually be substantiated.

Uh huh Okay then. I said any such thing where? When did this become about me?

Are you THAT desperate to derail from the gun control issue?

[anon68952647]

@awfulhorrid

in fact, a difference in these terms

one with no meaningful distinction to several hundred people you’re changing the subject away from. I guess I’m here for them since they’re logged off.

logged off is a euphemism for murdered DEAD. I know it makes you uncomfortable.

ffs, start a thread about the difference if it matters so much. This one is about the overkill of it all. Have some heart guys.

[awfulhorrid]

@AcerPlatanoides

You just happen to agree with one of them,

I do? Wow, I didn’t know that. I could have sworn I specifically stated that I am fairly neutral in this discussion. In case this is unclear, this means I am open to well-presented, accurate and factual, information from each side. In this issue, there are raving nutjobs on both sides of the aisle and someone like me (again, “fairly neutral”) gets to choose to which voices I listen.

You obviously have a side, but you’re not doing a particularly good job of representing that point of view. You accuse @LDoBe of an agenda, but that’s an interesting thing there, as I’ve seen them make statements that put the lie to that claim. (For the record, I’ll note that in other threads they have made strong arguments for firearm regulations.)

Edit: “thing,” not “this.”

[L_Mariachi]

Or “I dunno warden, it musta been some freak explosion, what else could possibly account for a dead inmate found next to a bloody steel pipe in his cell?”

[john_c]

@burpchick

By the way, this isn’t just about getting reliable news (although that’s a big part of it). Another reason I asked this question is because I want to stop rewarding (e.g., clicking on links) journalistic detritus. So, even thought a well-educated and rational person might be able to get the good nuggets out of a particular broadcast or news article (as Chesterfield suggested), I’d rather find a news source that I can respect.

Just install adblock.

It takes lots of different sources. My main ones are: NYTimes, WaPo, Real Clear Politics, Vox, The Atlantic, PBS NewsHour, and Washington Week. That last one is a real gem if you like politics, and it seems like not many people know about it.

When I first started reading Real Clear Politics, I was disturbed by all the right-wing commentary they link to, as it’s a pretty even left/right mix. But it’s useful to have some exposure to that stuff. I find that I better understand conservative arguments, even though I don’t agree with them any more or less than before.

I think RCP should at least be commended for trying to pick out the most important articles, regardless of ideology. There’s not much of an audience for that, these days.

[enso]

@kyle_c

Just install adblock.

uBlock Origin. Adblock sells ads to certain providers, who then don’t get blocked by Adblock.

[aluchko]

I’m in favour of gun control but I agree the talk about the number of rounds is misleading.

@xeni

enough ammunition and explosive devices to kill hundreds more people, investigators said today.

If they had car bombs expertly deployed could maybe kill “hundreds more people”. But it’s nonsensical to talk about 1600 bullets and some pipe bombs (they didn’t even bring) as being able to kill hundreds of people.

By that logic if they had a small knife that didn’t need reloading they could have killed millions or even billions!

[ronaldpottol]

So, been to a beauty supplies store? Buy hydrogen peroxide (hair bleach) and acetone (common nail polish remover)? Congratulations, you have what you need to make an explosive popular with suicide bombers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide

[ronaldpottol]

Also, for a sane (very pro gun, but editorially sane and fairly neutral politically, for a gun site anyways, comments, are, well, at least they remove and ban for getting too nasty) is http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/

[anon73629133]

They might have been planning to stop by the range on the way home. Since we will never know, we shouldn’t make assumptions.

[anon33466019]

So, there are a lot of us around here who are… Let’s say amateur civil engineers. (Who here didn’t have some form of the anarchist cookbook as a kid?). Just don’t get some of is too riled up or we’ll start talkin’ bout accelerants and dish soap and…

I’ve said too much

[Mister44]

Will have to take the time to digest this more. Thanks for the link.