This is why coworkers of mine are refusing to “update” to them.
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As I say, I was comparing the identical earbuds (apple’s own EarPods) in their 3.5 vs. Lightning versions. The Lightning earplugs sounded much better to me. And they cost the same as the 3.5 version ($29).
It’s clear you’re super unhappy with the new Lightning and USB-C ports being used for headphones; I’m not trying to convince you they’re awesome. I’m just telling you my personal side-by-side experience with sound quality. I’m personally OK with using dongles during a transition to a new standard.
why do you keep conflating and grouping those two things?
lightening = proprietary
usb-c = standard
they are not the same.
except it isn’t a standard, even on apple products. it will never be the new standard. maybe usb-c will take over all headphone jacks eventually, but lightening never will because it is apple only, and only on their mobile devices. All their computers are standardized on usb-c.
Their mobile devices would likely have been switched to usb-c as well, but then they couldn’t change royalties to every headphone and accessory manufacturer.
I’m unhappy with the loss of headphone jack, the lightening port was already there. it doesn’t follow that they had to remove one to start adoption of the other.
That’s great, i’m glad it is working for you and you are happy, that is what is important at the end of the day.
Hopefully you can at least now understand why it is an issue though? Even if it isn’t an issue for you personally…
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My operating system is a radio for speaking to God.
http://www.templeos.org
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Don’t even get me started on Apple’s horrible decision to graft their proprietary thunderbolt onto the usb-c standard ports. what could go wrong? 
I hope these EarPods are a far cry from Apple’s stock white ear buds. Those things were so awful I wouldn’t even put them out on a curb alert.
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Because they are two new competing ports that are nearly identical and serve exactly the same purpose. Apple’s using Lightning, Android’s experimenting with USB-C for the same reason. I agree that it would’ve been far better for everyone if Apple had gone with a more universal standard than their licensed port.
Yes, I see why you have an issue with it. I disagree with your reasoning.
Whether they’re re-engineered or not, I don’t know, but I was personally impressed by the sound from the new Lightning-based EarPods, especially for $29. I’m sure there’s better options out there for twice or three times the price.
the iPhone 7, like most modern Android phones,
The current S7 edge (not a samsung fan here, I prefer my old htc m8 in almost every way), has a jack.
Never mind, they corrected.
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They may look similar to the average lay person, but they aren’t really very similar, lightning and usb-c are actually pretty different. One is a standard one isn’t. One is on apple computers, windows computers, android phones, and one isn’t. Thunderbolt and usb-c are better equivalents, and apple moved thunderbolt to usb-c ports, not lightning ports because usb-c supports alternate mode for things like video display and lightning doesn’t, same with power modes, etc. Lightning is a daisy chain protocol, whereas thunderbolt and usb-c are hub protocols. I could go on and on, but i think the point is already pretty clear.
fair enough 
my intention wasn’t to convince you to abandon what works well for you, simply to convey what the issues are for others.
well at least we agree on that! 
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You mean other than the new Macbook, which only has USB-C, not lightning?
I find it ironic that I can plug my Nexus 6P, an android phone, directly into a new Macbook but I can’t directly plug a new iPhone in, even though the iPhone and the Macbook are both from the same manufacturer.
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Poweruser, here. From the DOS days. EMS/IRQ’s etc.
GUI is GREAT! For a lot of things … if done well.
I’m a mobile dev (Android/ios/winphone, in that order).
And win10 is terrible: the mismatched GUI’s for settings (NOTHING fits, and/or is where it should be or is in the fashion it should be … FUCK METRO! And screw Tiles!), the fact that it rapes you for your personal info and that is UNSTOPPABLE unless you have an enterprise account (and have you tried getting one a a single entity!?).
But then there’s *nix … nice, but way too imprenetrable and lets be honest: if I can’t use a dev envioronment (android studio/visual studio/xcode) or an artists’ toolbox (anything adobe, 3dsmax etc), then it is per definition unusable for me.
And then we have MacOs. Or even worse, FisherPriceOS … uhm, iOS. Might be FreeBSD based, but after 4 years of learning every keyboard shortcut there is, it makes me10% less productive (Finder!!! WTF!!!) EVERY DAY!
Win 7 is left as the most productive OS there is. The final OS which was actually efficient.
Android is nice … now add freeform mode and a shitloadof ther things and it might start to become a daily driver … but bot for years.
Point being: we’re fucked. The latest win drains your personal data, Apple does too but whilst it does so it is just so inefficient to use and *nix is just inefficient and doesn’t have the software support for apps and games.
And the prognosis is that Apple and Win are going to get worse. All we can hope for is that *nix gets better.
But in the meantime any poweruser who is actually using the OS to be productive is screwd by the lowest common denominator.
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Wait? You mean depending on how much of a power user you are, you might not get much juice? I bought a $20 Anker power supply that happily keeps my machine charged on the road if I’m doing anything that needs juice. Far cheaper than the former $90 chargers I use to buy. And as USB-C is a standard, I just had to make certain it met the specs.
Lots and lots of crashes, especially on power wake.
First week, was fixed in one update. Shouldn’t have happened though.
Meager upper ram limits 16gb.
I’m a pretty heavy power user…I haven’t had much problems with 16GB. Then again, MacOS has different memory caching / swapping than Windows.
Reduced number of external monitors supported.
Weird. I have two external monitors connected to mine. The same amount I could have had on my last machine.
Removed all the ports except for the 2 new usb-c.
4 USB-C. I replaced most of my cables for less than $20. Jeez…I buy a $2000 laptop, I’d hope I could buy some new cables! I have a dongle in my bag at the end of one cable that is for my external drive. That weird USB 3 one that I’ve only ever seen on drives. I got two of these for less than ten bucks. I have one on the cable and the other in a pouch with extra headphones (because I always lose them).
I carry no more cables than I did before, and two extra dongles.
I get it…people don’t like the change. However, I’m here saying I have both my old machine (15" 2013 MBP) and my new one (13" touch) and about the only thing I can’t stand is the keyboard. I don’t know why they screwed with this…and I’ll get use to it EVENTUALLY, but right now it annoys the fuck out of me. Then again, 90% of the time I’m at a desk…I should just pull out my bluetooth keys and not complain. Does anyone make a bluetooth with the cherry switches that is actually affordable???
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No, he means reviewers like Consumer Reports have put the laptops through the same tests and gotten wildly inconsistent results. There is a technical problem somewhere with how the laptops are using power or recharging.
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Well, no. Look at “sharing”, the replacement for drag and drop. It broke what isn’t broken. Look at Photos, replacing iPhoto, or iMovies replacement, or even the replacement for iWork. Gutted. iTunes is hardly simple to use, it’s a clusterfuck of tacked on bullshit.
MacOS used to be, “how you think it will work, that’s how it works.” It’s no longer that way.
Again, no. It rankles me that the iMacs aren’t user-upgradable, but unless you’re a POWER UZAR, they’ll serve you well for 5-8 years easily. And power users aren’t buying iMacs, anyway. Their RAM upgrades are notoriously expensive, but by a few hundred bucks.
My 2009 iMac is still usable precisely because I’ve been able to up the memory, replace the hard drive (twice, once due to failure), and replace the DVD drive with additional storage. Had this been a non-upgradable machine, it would have been replaced under protest with a glue brick from Cupertino. I’m rather certain Apple knows this.
Now we’re just riding the irrelevance of sugar water pushers into the sunset.
[quote=“nungesser, post:61, topic:92243”]yes, i remember that Steve Jobs quote, too.
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I wish Tim remembered it too.
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Incidentally, does anyone else feel like Jony Ive is playing the part of God on Supernatural, where he just created the universe, set a bunch of stuff into motion, then got bored and ran off to play at making expensive desks?
Because, I’m really getting the feeling like Apple is on some sort of cruise control, like the black on black Disaster Area ship that’s on autopilot into the sun.
So, anyone getting that feeling that this Macbook Pro is the user equivalent of someone on Alderaan saying, “That’s no moon!”? Or that I use too many pop culture references like Dennis Miller?
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The planet is heating up at an unprecedented rate, billions still live in abject poverty, and right-wing authoritarianism is on the rise in several major UN countries.
Perspective. It won’t make you feel any better but at least you’ll be able to see things without distortion.
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no, seems to be a problem. first it was blamed on safari, but has been reported with other apps as well.
it was the reason the new macbook pro is the first intel based apple laptop to fail to get a recommended rating from consumer reports. Seems to affect some users way more then others, still not resolved, seems more and more likely tied to a hardware issue.
Crash on Wake still happening for many users, even with the latest updates. people coming in the shop all the time about it. just asked the certified mac book specialist about it and confirmed it is still a frequent issue. also affects the regular macbook 2016, seems to span the entire new product line.
yeah, one power user’s uses are different then another’s. also, “enough” is different then optimal, or ideal. I agree most people can get by on 8-16gb, but 32gb makes a world of difference when doing certain things like video editing or running intensive applications in VMs, etc. Again PRO to me means abilities above the average norm. the cpu throttling instead of a fan makes rendering the same video 4x as long as the previous macbook…hurray! good luck with gaming on the thing because of that. that was such dumb move.
yeah i carry the dongles as well. every day i do other laptops look better and better to me.
took me about 2 weeks before i realized i no longer noticed it.
proprietary? hah!
besides, usb 3.1Gen2 is slow
yes intel manufactures the controller for apple, that is discussed in the article i link to. so far the only usb-c device that is thunderbolt 3 is the new macbook pro. it is propritary and has to be licensed from apple, even your article states this.
If the licensing fees are reasonable, high-end devices with combined Thunderbolt / USB 3 ports could quickly become commonplace.
it might catch on, it is possible, but if you read the article i linked to you can see the issues and how it has fragmented the usb-c compatibility field. even between macbooks and macbook pros.
not so ha ha after all.
try plugging a usb-c thunderbolt device into a usb-c macbook (not pro) port…no love? thanks apple!
Are you pushing more throughput then it can handle? i’m very impressed and would love to learn more. please do share what you’ve done to hit its “slow” upper limit. yes thunderbolt 3 is fast as hell, if apple made the standard open that would be a start, but still wouldn’t remediate the compatibility fragmentation issues it causes.
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