You continue to shoot from the cuff, without actually talking about the specific facts of the situation. Again I ask, what exactly is your agenda here? Why not actually spend a few minutes looking at the TV interviews of Luis Elizondo, which will take you all of 20-30 mins, and look at what he actually said, in public, to the mainstream media? You are distracting from the facts. Why? Laziness, or are you just incapable of dealing with even the possibility that our world is weirder than you can tolerate? I imagine you would have been among those who said the Earth is flat, or the universe revolves around the Earth, back in the day. Not very interesting or intelligent, in my opinion.
If another civilization has discovered and learned to harness the graviton, which our physics predicts as being real, and potentially groundbreaking, I imagine they could engineer an awful lot that would have fantastic characteristics, by our existing standards. Physics is HARDLY a closed book, sheesh. Nobody in all of science can even begin to answer the basic question of “what came before the Big Bang” so clearly we have an awful lot to still learn.
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Actually the graviton is in dispute considering how it’s yet to be found. Plus even if you can control gravity this doesn’t affect inertia. For example, you still feel it even if you’re in micro-gravity. The negation of gravity in this situation would just make it easier to accelerate since you have no gravitational mass then (assuming we just ignore atmospheric friction here to make the model easier to grasp for me) but even that acceleration still will turn your vehicle into a junkyard heap the moment you change direction at 90 degrees or more (aka SPLAT). That’s one of the rubs here with such a vehicle. Unless we find a way to negate inertia SPLAT is all you can get from instant changes in acceleration.
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Because military hardware, how its used and how it comes to be is something of a hobby interest of mine. I have no illusions as to what a fighter plane can or can’t do. Usually reality is far less glamorous or pleasant than the public image here.
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Again the difference between a sane discussion and crackpotism is the willingness to let things remain a mystery until more evidence comes in rather than come to a conclusion which can’t be supported by it.
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I fully acknowledge the world is far weirder than I can imagine. As of now I live in a nation whose leaders’ activities have far outstripped the ability for fiction writers to parody or turn into exaggerated satire. How can I not?
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I am more than willing to believe intelligent life is out there. I am very skeptical they are coming down here to sodomize drunken rednecks. I am even more skeptical that any world government could possibly cover up the existence of aliens on our planet with any degree of proficiency.
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Yeah, isn’t it funny how government is so clunky and inefficient that it can’t be trusted to do things like health care or social programs or even infrastructure and criminal justice, how it’s obtuse and complicated with all this red tape, but somehow, simultaneously is so good at cover-up that they can successfully manage all these cover-ups. And either all the world’s governments are working together on this, even the ones that hate each other, or Aliens are only showing up to a select few nations.
Yeah, I am going to go with Occam on this one. In a world where Chelsea Manning, Snowden and Reality Winner can walk out with details on NSA perfidy (even if the consequences are high), somebody would have leaked the genuine documents and blown this sky-high ages ago.
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Plus can you even imagine our current president being able to shut up about such things if he knew?
This is a guy who accidentally burned allied intelligence assets because he was trying to impress Russian diplomats.
Of course given his veracity impairment he could announce it to the world and nobody would believe him. 
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You do realize that was fiction?
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Then we can keep our fun?
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So what would you say to the MULTIPLE F-18 fighter pilots who saw these things visually, on radar, and on the IR sensor? What about the folks back on the aircraft carrier who routed them to the objects, which they had seen on radar? You sure do love to avoid the specifics of the well-documented situation. I believe this is called being a “debunker.”
I am totally happy to say that this may be a physical craft, it may not be, and if it is, it may be “ETs,” it may be something else (but ETs in that case would be a wholly viable hypothesis). It is you who are debunking that possibility wholesale, and who refuses to address ANY of the specifics of the situation.
Fair enough!
It is you leaping from well-documented UFO encounters, such as this and MANY others, thousands and thousands, to “raping rednecks.” Again, a typical “debunking” technique, to drive things to the extreme and absurd.
As far as a coverup? Again, you are totally avoiding the fact that almost EVERY MAJOR COUNTRY is NO LONGER COVERING IT UP. Britain. The USA. France. Russia. China. The list goes ON AND ON. Read the freaking news stories! It’s an ACKNOWLEDGED PHENOMENON. The only remaining question (at least as far as the public is concerned) is, what are these mysterious flying craft that are seen many many times every year by all sorts of reasonable people, are captured on radar and other sensors, absolutely look like physical craft, and behave in intelligent-seeming and yet “miraculous” ways? The freaking governments are NOT denying it! YOU are! You seem to be missing the boat.
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Nobody leaked the now-acknowledged Pentagon program The New York Times, Washington Post, and others reported on several weeks ago. It was recently declassified, and then it went public. None of the facts are actually on your side here.
The same thing their CO would say: Have you checked your equipment? Did anyone else in your wing report the same? Lets look at the footage. Do you have any ideas what it could be?
An F-18 is designed to perform specific combat roles aboard a carrier as both a mid-range fleet defense fighter, and in limited roles, as a strike aircraft. Hunting and identifying strange flying objects that don’t fit the usual thing they are designed to pursue, isn’t one of them.
“It is you who are debunking that possibility wholesale, and who refuses to address ANY of the specifics of the situation.”
Lack of evidence = lack of a need to draw a conclusion. I don’t have to say aliens. I was saying UFO. Could be anything. But not likely to be aliens given the number of plausible alternatives. Or best yet I can simply say, “who the hell knows lets get more info”
A conclusion of aliens is a pretty extreme and absurd one to make given the evidence. An open question requiring more info is not.
So if there was evidence of aliens making their presence known, it would be far more likely to be disclosed to the public and studied by experts. Most of what used to be covered up were experimental aircraft testing anyway. Yes UFOs ARE an acknowledged phenomena. People see stuff in the air and in space all the time that they can’t explain at the moment or corroborate. But UFO’s = aliens, not at all.
"what are these mysterious flying craft that are seen many many times every year by all sorts of reasonable people, are captured on radar and other sensors, absolutely look like physical craft, and behave in intelligent-seeming and yet “miraculous” ways? "
Why must I assume they are flying craft or craft at all? Unidentified means unidentified.
They aren’t saying aliens either. 
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No, but they sure seem to be implying it. But hey, I actually watched what was said instead of being a lazy debunker. shrug I’ll leave it to more intellectually-driven folks to come to their own conclusions. I would hope they would actually do the research, which you very clearly have not, and seem to feel proud about. Willful ignorance is so sad.
That is exactly the point. A bombshell this big sitting for all these years and nobody leaked it. Everybody was such a good little player and nobody said a thing. Nobody’s opsec and infosec are that good.
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I just feel like we haven’t been visited yet, but that when we ARE visited, we are ALL gonna know it and it won’t be good.
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There are all sorts of “leaked” UFO docs out there though. And people like Colonel Corso who are on the record about things like the supposed Roswell crash/recovery. We do not know if any of this material is legit, but it’s not all disproven, not by a long shot. Once again, the core of your argument is rotten, and reveals you have done zero actual research on the topic.
I had an interesting interaction with a young co-worker - a highly intelligent and capable person - when I discovered he was a moon landing skeptic. (My father was involved in the Mercury and Apollo programs, and I worked on some shuttle stuff).
After our conversation, and some interaction with some space memorabilia I have, he was happy to change his beliefs. It was just that he’d literally never had any reliable source of information before; everything he knew about the moon landings came from people who had provably lied to him on many matters. TV and news and politicians and schoolbooks had all lied to him, and he’d caught them at it.
I had a less fruitful experience talking to a young Haitian about dinosaurs. The most trustworthy people he’d ever met (probably among very few educated white people he’d encountered who were not rapacious exploiters) were devoutly Xian volunteers who’d dedicated their entire adult lives to improving the conditions of poor Haitians, and those people did not believe in dinosaurs, providing him with the explanation that God created the world with fossils already in it.
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Implying means absolutely nothing. Its a conclusion which can’t be supported by the evidence. So its not a conclusion.
Aliens coming to here is a big deal. Something which would probably be taken far more serious and by far more people than what we have now if we had far more evidence than we do now.
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Except the Roswell thing has been long debunked by people who were there working on the top secret weather balloon project to measure radioactivity in the upper atmosphere (and Soviet A-bomb testing).
"“A flying saucer was easier to admit than Project Mogul,”
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