Jill Stein is a fearmongering crank who thinks Wi-Fi harms children's brains

I’m disappointed that my state’s delegates walked out of the RNC over Trump, however, I can’t find any reports that my state’s DNC delegates walked out of the DNC over Clinton despite Sanders winning the caucuses here. Well, okay, at least one of the protesters in the demonstration that followed indicated they were from my state to the news media…

In fairness, the only outfits I’ve seen report the “800+” number have been The Young Turks, Breitbart, TruthDig. Politico.com reports “over one-hundred,” which I’ll take as plausible, but I’ll bet at least another seven hundred harbored a desire to walk out!

Amy Goodman at Truthdig (for which I have some respect) said 300 (which is less that 40% of 800, let alone 1900), but gave no citation. I watched videos of the gatherings outside, and never saw more than 60-70 (since I teach classes ranging from 30 to 400 I’m pretty good at estimating the sizes of crowds under 400), but of course there could have been 200 more off getting coffee at Starbucks.

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Absolutely. I’m working with a local group and trying to get people in the community to narrow down their demands to bite sized and doable portions is difficult, but at least the organizers know that getting "awareness and rallies is important in context but that action is the only thing that matters ultimately.

“Raising consciousness” is for cults as marketing based shoddy charities. Tangible goals are the only way to progress.

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Jill’s quotes about vaccinations and cell phones are borderline when taken out of context. There have been some problems with experimental vaccines given to American servicemen and servicewomen in the Gulf, and there is always the odd bad reaction to established vaccines, given a large enough population. Rarely, there are even deaths. That’s a small price to pay for eradicating the likes of smallpox and (hopefully soon) polio. I believe even the CDC suggests using headsets and speakerphones for cell phones – wireless phones – on the precautionary principle, since long-term effects of cell-phone radiation on the brain, and on children’s developing brains in particular, are not yet known. What Jill actually said is well within defensible evidence-based opinion, but it’s admittedly likely that she withheld her true take on anti-vax/anti-cell-phone/anti-WiFi hysteria for tactical reasons. Even so, any tacitcal disingenuousness on Jill’s part would pale in comparison to Hillary’s and Donald’s, and I suspect it will disappear as progressives continue to defect from the Democrats to the Greens and holding onto the lunatic fringe becomes less important.

As for Jill’s statements about Hillary, are you aware of Hillary’s actual record as Secretary of State? Her leading albeit behind-the-scenes role in validating and supporting the 2009 coup in Honduras, and then fighting to turn back Honduran refugees at the US border? Her continued support for military aid to and free trade with Colombia while Colombian paramilitary groups were still assassinating union leaders and organizers? Her leading role in pushing for the 2011 bombing of Libya, which destroyed the most prosperous country in Africa, gave rise to the largest nest of Al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorists on the continent, and unleashed a wave of refugees (both Libyan and sub-Saharan African) in Europe? Her department’s leading role in instigating and supporting the neo-Nazi coup in Ukraine (and bullying the EU to follow suit), which was the first step toward reigniting the Cold War with Russia? Her leading role in calling for military intervention in Syria, where the conflict has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians and created millions of refugees? (Also, Syria is home to Russia’s only military bases outside the former Soviet Union, and Russia wanted to build pipelines for Russian oil and gas to a Syrian port – competition for America’s Gulf-State allies.) Her role in approving tens of billions in weapons sales to Saudi Arabia and its Gulf-State allies – after those countries and US military contractors “donated” millions to the Clinton Foundation – which weapons KSA et al. are now using to destroy Yemen? And I haven’t even mentioned her vote as Senator to give Dubya carte blanche to attack, invade, destroy, and occupy Iraq (because in fairness to Hillary, so many other unprincipled, poll-driven, careerist pols did, too.) Hillary bears a heavy share of responsibility for reckless military and régime-change operations that have cost hundreds of thousands of civilians their lives and millions their homes. She bears a heavy share of responsibility for creating tens of thousands of new terrorists (coincidentally boosting demand for the services of her defense-contractor and intelligence-industry patrons.) She bears a heavy share of responsibility for flooding Europe with millions of refugees, further threatening the viability of European social welfare arrangements and boosting the popularity of xenophobic neo-fascist parties. Finally, whistleblowers like John Kiriakou, who have done far less to endanger national security than Hillary did with her insecure private server and her off-book email discussions of national security matters with people who did not have a security clearance, have done hard time in federal prison for their alleged transgressions while politically connected Hillary got a sternly wagged finger and a wink. No, Jill Stein’s characterizations of Hillary are not remotely smears, but a fair representation of what Hillary’s record actually depicts.

On the plus side for Hills, I believe she has an actual plan to deal with global warming: nuclear winter, which all of her one-sided provocations of Russia might well be leading to.

Jill may not be the perfect candidate, and the Green Party may not be a well-oiled, well-connected, well-funded political party, but Jill is pretty clearly the least evil choice for progressives in this election, and worth spoiling the election for if it helps build the Party for future races. Both Hillary and Donald are abject horrors, and as someone who graduated with distinction from a heavily libertarian econ department, I can’t vote for a Libertarian. My take on libertarianism is that it is viewed by the sophomoric, the solipsistic, and the sociopathic as true; by the wise as false; and by billionaires as useful (with heavy emphasis on that last group). My vote’s going to Jill.

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Again with the quackery. The CDC states at the same link you cite that there is no link to health problems and cell phone use.

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I didn’t actually provide a cite (and nor did you), but I will now:

CDC - Radiation: FAQs about Cell Phones and Your Health
https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/radiation/cell_phones._faq.html

Can using a cell phone cause cancer?

There is no scientific evidence that provides a definite answer to that question. Some organizations recommend caution in cell phone use. More research is needed before we know if using cell phones causes health effects.

Do cell phones give off (emit) radiation?

Yes – cell phones and cordless phones use radiofrequency radiation (RF) to send signals. RF is different from other types of radiation (like x-rays) that we know can be harmful. We don’t know for sure if RF radiation from cell phones can cause health problems years later. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified RF radiation as a “possible human carcinogen.” (A carcinogen is an agent that causes cancer.)

Should people stop using cell phones?

At this time we do not have the science to link health problems to cell phone use. Scientific studies are underway to determine whether cell phone use may cause health effects. It is also important to consider the benefits of cell phones. Their use can be valuable in an urgent or emergency situation – and even save lives.

If you are worried about cell phone use, follow the tips below.

Cell phone tips

To reduce radio frequency radiation near your body:

  • Get a hands-free headset that connects directly to your phone.

  • Use speaker-phone more often.

  • In the past, RF interfered with the operation of some pacemakers. If you have a pacemaker and are concerned about how your cell phone use may affect it, contact your health care provider.

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[Emphasis in bady text added]

Don’t feel too bad, though. If you complain to the Hillary campaign, maybe they can get Obama to “persuade” director Tom Frieden to change the content of that FAQ to “Jill Stein is a fearmongering crank who thinks Wi-Fi harms children’s brains.”

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I only skimmed this, but it’s clear you just happen to agree with her brand of fearmongering. Talk of “out of context statements” when Stein literally edits tweets to appease anti-vaxxers seems hollow, and declaring Hillary is most likely to cause a nuclear winter just weakens the points you make that are fine.

And there is no distinction made for cell phones in the video, and the subject at hand was about laptops in school.

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Yeah, I really shouldn’t bother replying to the people who get excited about this latest trend of p-hacking cargo cult science, this is Stein’s small base and “teaching the controversy” is exactly the approach that they want to promote. Yes, idiots and cranks also exist in Europe. No, subsequent studies have not proven to show any harm in Europe either.

If they don’t understand why it’s a terrible approach, these discussions won’t change their mind.

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I think the elephant in the room here is that when you argue against progress, you argue for the same irrational and dangerous establishment approach that has historically painted us into so many corners with unsustainable modernity, global destruction of our biosphere, and repeated breathless adoption of dangerous environmental exposure to consumers (or just people living their lives nearby) of myriad harms and evitable risks in the pursuit of blind irrational profit.

What do you seriously propose be done today about human overpopulation, destruction of natural habitat, global climate change, human malaise from high-margin markets of malnutrition and junk diets. Don’t you get tired of seeing the same harmful mistakes and hubris repeat endlessly, the uninspired beating of dead horses in the irrational hope and magical thinking that, somehow, this time, it won’t all go wrong? How do you advocate for the overdue progress we’re all owed while attacking everything that doesn’t reinforce establishment status quo? Are you down with regulatory capture and electoral corruption? Should the atmosphere and our waterways be open sewers? Should our populations be experimental targets for high-fructose diets grown on sterile soil with as many chemicals as sufficient to make unnatural agriculture viable just one more season, even as the herbicide-resistant weeds close in and the honeybees die off?

I just don’t know why you seem to be so dead set against any alternative to the madness that will likely wipe out civilization as we know it from the face of this planet it within a century or two if left to continue in its ways. I feel as if your attitude only gives moral support to the bad guys, even if you feel you’re striking back for rationality and skepticism, strategically, you’re standing with the guys who just don’t believe in applying science objectively when it conflicts with profits, don’t want to see progress for mankind if it makes mankind shrewd to their scams and able to take a dim view of the magical thinking that moves contrary to life and biology itself. But hey, the next quarter should be profitable, at least! Never mind the smoke and fires, diminished potentials, and shortened lives. At least somebody’s making a killing?

It’s not enough to wait for incontrovertible evidence of harm when entire markets and lines of business are sustained only by ensuring that the ‘science’ is pointedly looking the other way where such harm exists. That’s why our global atmospheric CO2 is now over 400 PPM, that’s why our water is choked with secondhand pharmaceuticals and heavy metals, and why, over these past two decades, the volume of applied toxic chemicals to agricultural crops and soils forms upward asymptotic lines. It’s demagoguery to argue “there’s no problem here, move along, citizen.”

I’m trying to cage some of this with “I feel” or “it seems,” because I don’t comprehend your purpose, nor the purpose of any skeptic who argues energetically against the only people whose priorities seem straight and justifiable on basic existential issues of our day, but I feel as if it’s a disservice to mock them, and it energizes me to respond again and again, here. If they’re wrong, don’t tear them down when their hearts are in the right place. Instead, displace their environmental health and safety arguments with your own stronger ones, demonstrate what is right where they are wrong.

Environmental safety nihilism won’t save the planet or prevent harm and destruction. It simply clears a path for the same wrongfulness that knocked our world out of balance to continue doing what it does best: debasing the destiny of everyone and everything worthwhile in this fragile shared world. People need to stop shitting in the punchbowl of life.

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I work with anarchists, socialists, and community groups to volunteer for various projects locally.

I am all for progress. I know that the Greens are not particularly involved locally, focusing on these Presidential stunts they waste a ton of money and potential action on, I don’t see them as a force for progress and leftward good.

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