The hunters also tried to destroy the GPS collar that Cecil was wearing as part of research backed by Oxford University, the conservation group said.
A point I will concede.
Iām not. But Iām also not anti-hunting. Iām just anti-douchebag.
That was not actually an insult by any objective measure. It may very well have pissed you off, it may very well be construed as inflammatory. Neither of these are examples of insults.
Lecturing me about insults that arenāt actually insults is not very productive either, no?
Name another well-known (by the general public) bow-hunting advocate. Just one. And no, Walter Palmer doesnāt count. You may not like the fact that Ted Nugent is the public face of bow hunting (because he is, as everyone seems to agree, batshit crazy) but thereās really no escaping that heās the poster child.
Anger? No. Not even close. This is my version of hunting.
And Iād agree. But (as I said a bit earlier) guns have improved in that time too. Why not be as effective as possible in the interest of a humane kill? I suspect that the sad answer is because some people care more about their hunting experience than a humane kill.
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so i have the collected editions of T. Rose-Dawg. From his famous/infamous africa expidition all but eleven of the 525(?) animals are at the smithsonian. i would argue that 100% of them should be, but 1909 was a different era.
if you want to big game hunt, there are 35,000 african lions. in a continent. there are 200,000 bears in alaska alone. african lions are projected to be extinct in the wild by 2050. unless Stephen Colbert becomes supreme leader, bears are fine.
so if you want to hunt lions, hunt them on a breeding ground. if you want to hunt Big Game, go to alaska or siberia or montana and stalk bears.
āthe health of all the animals in the area rely on ātrophyā hunters to make sure the rest of the ecosystem is protected.ā
are you suggesting Cecil was worth less in tourism dollars than the hunt fee?
Let me rephrase, are you suggesting that an alternate breeding program for hunting, away from the nature preserves couldnāt fix both problems?
ETA
the issue i skirted around is the guides and their patron are poachers. that is why a legit breeding program isnāt gonna work, even though it should.
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Wait, what? Isnāt a bow with a trigger just a re-invention of the crossbow?
Also, this is the story from the pro that the dentist hired:
(spoiler: Palmer doesnāt come out well)
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A crossbow will hold the draw of the bow for an infinite time. The triggers mentioned are actually releases. It is a metal clip you attach to your wrist. You still have to draw the bow and hold the string unlike a crossbow.
Releases increases the hunters accuracy and also distributes the weight of the pull onto your wrist versus your finger tips. Which allows a hunter to pull a higher draw weight thus shooting a faster heavier arrow.
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Ok, so a weak imitation of a crossbow, then?
(I did google it myself after posting the question, and yeah, itās an interesting idea and I can see the advantages of it. Not sure how thatād play out at that Olympics though, and for hunting, well the point @zieroh made about using the best tech available in the interests of a humane kill remains valid)
Olympic competitions are an entirely different style of shooting. When you hunt with a bow you are taking aim on a target that is moving. You sometimes have to hold the draw for a long period of time. A ethical hunter is looking to place his shot in a very narrow shot window. You draw before you shoot waiting for that window.
In the Olympic you have stationary target, with my fingers I can shoot my arrows within an inch of each other with my fingers at 40 yards. With the release I can stack the arrows on top of each other, called a Robin Hood.
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it will work. It will not work 100% but is likely to alleviate the situation significantly.
So, you went on vacation somewhere far away, where youāve never been, didnāt know the rules, and trusted a local. You wanted to go hiking in a preserve and seem some animals.
This guy went to hunt an endangered species. It was not his first time in Africa and not his first time hunting big game, or big cats, or even lions. He had been there before, engaged in similar activities there before, and should have known the score.
Those are two completely different situations.
While I can see where youāre coming from in your mostly tone argument based criticism of zieroh, based on the evidence heās shown I canāt say I disagree with either his tone or wording re: bow hunters. After all, one presumes they know the cruelty and loss-rates because they actively participate in the āsportā. Douchebag is actually a pretty mild pejorative for someone who puts their own weapon preference over the much greater potential the animal will be wounded, die painfully, and never be recovered.
Zimbabwe requests extradition of US dentist Walter Palmer over killing
Countryās environment minister says Dr Palmer was a āforeign poacherā who wanted to tarnish Zimbabweās image by killing its āiconicā lion
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I canāt help wondering how Dr Palmer feels about being hunted.
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Oh please. Do tell us about the number of poor hunters outgunned by their trophy prey. Dollars to donuts our Dr. Lionkillās $50k paid for some well-armed stepānāfetchit types just in case that wascally wabbit got close enough to ruin his sunscreen.
Fucking hell:
"I was worried about the lion and what had happened," said Bronkhorst. "We got there about 9am, and we found it and it was wounded, and the client then shot it, with his bow and arrow, and killed it."
But not in the head and not with a firearm, to do the job quicklyāthe client had to have his head and skin intact, of course.
I appreciate that. There are douche bags every where. You canāt just blindly label people though. It doesnāt work that way. Like not all BMW drivers are assholes. Not all ICP fans are white trailer trash. Not all rap fans are thugs. There are douche bag hunters and douche bag bow hunters - but they arenāt automatically that way because they belong to a certain group.
I too learned the archery rate for wounding is higher than I thought. I did a little digging and found this study that had more modern equipment with a lower wound rate. http://www.marylandqdma.com/files/Download/Pedersen-31-34.pdf
But I think my point is you canāt write off all bow hunters. I used to do some archery, though never hunted with it. I donāt really consider myself a hunter, though I have done it in the past with my dad. I am an avid shooter. But while there are hunters who take risks and take unethical shots, they arenāt just bow hunters. No one likes people like that or poachers who take game out of season. But missing is part of hunting too. It happens to the best shots. All it can take is one twig, a bad hop by the game, a scope that got out of alignment some how. But most hunters hate it when that happens and feel genuinely bad.
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You donāt generally shoot the head of an animal. You aim for the heart/lung area. The target is much larger to assure both a hit and for it to go down quick.
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What, mad Leopold? He of the Belgian Congo? If Ted Nugentās a bad poster boy for hunting, I think you just completely trumped himā¦
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Hunters die all the time hunting big game animals in Africa. But I get it you are now a expert because of one story right.
Look up Cape buffalo hunting stories. Injured buffalo have stalked many miles and killed their Hunter while they sleep.
But yea, your probably an expert Hunter because you read the story about Cecil. Never mind the other lions that died this year or the ones who will die tomorrow. They donāt matter because they were not Cecil.
Yes I am a hunter and fisherman. I prefer to know that most of the protein I harvest is gmo free and organic.
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