How is my toddler hitting me different than me hitting my toddler? How is someone cutting vegetables different than someone cutting another person? It’s so hard to tell things apart when you can describe them with the same verb.
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Roy Moore has been explicitly declared that biblical law is the moral foundation for american law. That is the view that he was expressing when he put up the 10 commandments monument.
Here’s an exact quote:
Today a cry has gone out across our land for the acknowledgment of that God upon whom this nation and our laws were founded
His supporters carried signs saying things like “Without God’s laws, we have a lawless America”
When someone is pushing the notion that America and its laws are explicitly founded on Christianity, that’s a world-view that doesn’t leave a ton of room for unbelievers. It’s not quite GTFO, but it is saying that the only valid american viewpoint is explicitly christian
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We’d have no trouble recruiting the requisite Nazis. They’re dumb enough.
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This situation reminds me a lot of Pasteur’s solution for the infection of the silkworms: burn the infected ones, before they infect more worms.
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Ask the folks who use it that way to show you. Your argument is that it’s unjustified, I can’t explain their interpretation, ask them!
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I hope it hasn’t been done yet…
“Here I was, driving along. Suddenly this 10 Commandments Monument jumped in front of the car!”
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I’m aware of those sort of people. I still contend the mere pretense of the 10 commandments doesn’t have all of the same baggage. Just like ISIS thumping the Quran or a crescent moon or what ever doesn’t mean everyone with some sort of Islamic what ever has the same feelings or views.
It isn’t at all GTFO, but yes their position is that America was founded solely on in Christian principles, which isn’t really true. Was it influenced? Sure.
See, that’s my point. With that sort of logic the Quran and Islam is as bad as some people make it out to be because it is used to justify a lot of horrible stuff. My point is a stone recreation of ancient Jewish law isn’t spreading intolerance. Is there overlap with Bible Thumpers and intolerant people? Sure. But there are a lot more Jews and Christians who have a copy of and attempt to adhere to the 10 commandments for themselves that are tolerant of others.
Every one who supported using public land and resources for a monument to honor a very narrow sectarian religious belief. The words of the decalogue vary significantly between Judaism, Catholicism and Protestant sects. The wording used was specifically Protestant. Thus insulting to those not Protestant.
It goes hand in hand with Dominionist dillholes claiming, “America is a Christian Nation”, meaning all other faiths have no rights or are unworthy of consideration by government
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Nonsense. It is what people say when they have to walk back from “America is a Christian Nation” garbage. Essentially they take credit for all of Christendom based on the religion of someone rather than any actual relation to the tenets of faith.
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If you were hoping to miss my point, you’ve succeeded wildly there.
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If your argument is that there’s nothing inherently wrong with the 10 commandments, and that a person could put up a monument to them without necessarily meaning to promote the primacy of Christianity in american public life, then I mostly agree. I just don’t see what that argument has to do with this specific case.
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If someone put up a monument on public property that said, “Allah is the only god and Muhammad is his messenger,” what do you think the reaction would be? Would you construe it as a religious message? Would you think erecting the monument on public property conflicted with the secular nature of American government? Would you assume the people who put it there intended people to interpret it as a statement about the nature and importance of religion?
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And that makes all of it right?
Or none of it?
The same texts are also filled with support for ostracizing, shunning and murdering those who believe differently.
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Which is ironic, considering how the whole party kicked off.
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Yeah, I don’t really have any disagreements with you. I’d do the same when it comes to Hitler. I think when violence can save people’s lives, or when it is your only option, you need to take it.
You know, after posting yesterday, and then getting a semi-acceptable nights sleep, I can kind of see why the nazi punch is funny. No one like that should be given a platform to speak in the first place. I guess he was on tv already, so punching him was a great way to shut him down.
You’re right. It’s kind of funny in this case. Like you said, taking away their power by not giving them the response they want is the key.
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If “killing Nazis” was OK when we were officially fighting them, well, it’s just interesting that even a little slug to the face is considered so brash these days. Because honestly if they had won WWII… Uh… The Man in the High Castle, bitches.
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Yeah, and if they were putting those up on a monument then I’d have a different reaction than the rather tame 10 Commandments.
I am taking you’re just from the “religion bad” line of thought and condemn them all equally as they all have awful parts at some point in their history?
no, but John Adams was.
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