Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
Um, er, wait, what?
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It is nearly Halloween after all.
Iām not sure I actually see any trolls here. Iāve seen little indication that anyone is making arguments just to get a rise out of someone. grimlokiās comments come pretty close but Iām pretty sure s/he is serious.
How does someone whoās seen what youāve undoubtedly seen square their beliefs with the horrible things that can happen to people out of the blue?!? Particularly in a nation like yours that is so intent on dismantling any and all social safety nets.
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Well, yeah, hand the poor huddled masses overā¦ who else is going to mow the lawns, do the dishes, watch the kids, clean hotel rooms, clean restaurant tables, work retail/fast food, build the houses, etc and so on? Duh.
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The problem is that poor people are too generous ( http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2009253657_charity23.html ):
The Bureau of Labor Statisticsā latest survey of consumer expenditure found that the poorest fifth of U.S. households contributed an average of 4.3 percent of their incomes to charitable organizations in 2007. The richest fifth gave at less than half that rate, 2.1 percent.
They should be more like rich people.
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Iām not a fan of spaying and neutering anyone. I have faith in birth control.
I donāt think people bring children into their poverty stricken life, generallyā¦ but its easy to bring yourself into poverty by having kids.
The federal poverty line (which is ridiculously low) is $11,600 for a single person. Its $19,000 for a family of three. A 40 hour a week job at $8.25 an hour pays $17,160 a year.
Kids are very VERY expensive, and you shouldnāt have them unless you can afford them, because when you canāt provide for them, they go hungry, and have poor outcomes throughout life.
Absolutist normative statements like āDonāt have kids if you canāt afford itā are bound to draw ire from somebody.
Me, Iām in disbelief.
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Unless you get a sweet TV deal like the Duggars and their clown-car uterus.
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Absolutist normative statements like āDonāt have kids if you canāt afford itā are bound to draw ire from somebody.
That and general douchebaggery.
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Oh come on. Anyone can buy shares in McDonalds and make themselves meeelions. Anyone.
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I was thinking in context of the environment today, that maybe this is simply a nasal spray ad or slogan.
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Yeah, remember Romney who bragged that his son started his own businessā¦by, you know, getting money from his father. Why donāt these people have rich fathers?
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So should only rich people with deep pockets have kids? Much of the modern middle class is in a very marginal position, should they abstain as well as the poor?
Look, I get what youāre saying hereāpeople should make responsible, well-informed decisions. But frankly, you are talking about human beings here. Weāre not exactly known for logic and rationality, despite whatever enlightenment propaganda says differently. Saying that people should only have kids when they are completely readyā¦ well, I think that means no one would ever have kids, because you canāt every be completely ready for thatā¦ No matter how financially prepared you might be.
And, I think much needs to change before birth control is a widely accepted part of life in the USā¦ sadly.
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How does someone whoās seen what youāve undoubtedly seen square their beliefs with the horrible things that can happen to people out of the blue?!?
You must have missed the part where he said heās a libertarian.
They have a mental block particularity when it comes to externalities. I honestly think itās often based upon a certain brain disorder, but I digress.
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Your alliteration within remonstration deserves commendation.
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Iām also a social libertarian
Shocking.
Youāre hired for my completely imaginary ad agency!
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I was channeling some Jesse Jackson, I think. 
Itās not that Iām comfortable with the shitty invective, but rather that I donāt think calling them on it would do any good, and I suspected doing it to you might.
