Then my response would be, “You need to reality check that perception,” instead of “That is untrue.”
My aunt (and her partner) were the first in their respective bro-pool back in the 1970s. They said it was very tough to get anywhere at first and they had no respect from their male colleagues. But by the time she died, she was one of the most respected people in Western MA working in Emergency services. That doesn’t excuse the treatment she received early in her career, though.
It’s also a comic written by a man based on assumptions of how women/girl act.
I assure you that women talk from their mouths, too!
Did you know that the women who coined that phrase didn’t mean that women who are quiet don’t make it into the history books because they are quiet… she was making a point that women who are quiet get ignored and she was working to correct that problem by writing the history of everyday women (especially women in religious contexts/communities).
But she also likes this version of the comment, too. She was surprised to see it show up in pop culture, though.
Just FYI.
More like one particular girl, unless I’m really misinterpreting the Peanuts canon.
I do that too, and I am definitely not a verbal thinker.
Sure. Indeed. But the rest of the girls (with the exception of Marcy) tend to be loud and they are also always very mean-spirited to Charlie Brown on a regular basis (again, both Peppermint Patty and Marcy are exceptions here).
I love the Peanuts, don’t get me wrong, but they were very much a product of their time. Of course, the characters evolved over the years, but still.
Are you saying all the female characters (with the obvious exceptions of Peppermint Patty and Marcy) behaved more identically than all the male characters? I’m honestly not sure if this is true or not. I’ll have to give it some thought if it is true.
I was under the assumption that the Peanuts characters were largely based on the kids Charles M Schulz grew up with.
I think they acted more alike collectively in the 60s than they did in the 70s or 80s. They also didn’t have a black kid in the strip until the 70s (I think is when Franklin was introduced). They had differences, sure, but they all tended to be jerks to poor old Charlie Brown, compared to the guys. Or they had less variety in their behaviors, I think (until Peppermint Patty and Marcy).
I believe that his childhood was indeed the model, but that also means they were a product of his own worldview and how he felt they treated him. It was a comic strip after all, not a memoir. This isn’t meant as a criticism of Peanuts, more of an observation, really. It was a great comic and I loved it as much as the next guy (unless the next guy is my sister, which in that case, I don’t, because she adores Peanuts more than I ever will). I think it’s just reflective of the time in which it was created. The fact that Schultz changed his characters and introduced new ones over years indicates that he had changing views.
I learned something today!
The saddest day of my life was when I realized I could not, not matter how hard I tried, know it ALL.
Yes, as I was posting that comment I had to look up the phrase, assuming I’d find a bumper sticker or t-shirt image, and I did find a page about her. Thanks for providing a link, I didn’t think of it at the time.
Because feminists are, by definition, concerned with fairness and equality in matters of gender. (Which, for the record, I wholeheartedly support)
This invariably leads to situations in which we need to have some difficult conversations regarding whether fair is preferable to equal or vice versa, and what that would entail. (Where I fear we may have some disagreements over how to best accomplish the above)
Which, as I may have articulated less clearly than I could have, is made moe difficult by the fact that by and large, man and women often think in very different ways. (Which can, again, complicate things and lead to disagreements over process between people who agree on platform)
You don’t have to know it all
to be a know it all..
it’s not hard to link the syntactic critera, to the condescention, though. Not hard at all. Horse → Cart.
or intent. Or desires.
Firt go around you add a concept, this one you take one of the several concepts I offered and focus on it to the exclusion of the others, and limited your example to a known friend. I mean, sure, thank you for not adding 50% to what I said. But if you take up only 10% of the cases I am presenting, you’re still missing my point, and then saying it cannot be so?
It’s not just ‘feelings’. Please, do keep trying, imagine more than your close friends, as I placed no such limitation on my statements. I don’t understand this changing of what I am saying so you can disagree with it. It’s what i have noticed. Nothing you say changes that.
People who tell you what you feel, think, are experiencing, want or need… those people are not speaking authentically. I can infer a word here and there for people I communicate subtextually with because of closeness and trust - sure, but really, and I think you have encountered this, people who tell you what you know, how you feel, what you think, and what you want are not giving you anything, they’re taking. They’re passing up an opportunity to respect your opinion, in return for an opportunity to respect theirs, which they think is coming despite what they just did there.
I avoided describing myself as a feminist for quite a while because second-wave feminism felt hostile towards men and as such gave me some negative associations with the word.
I have since become much more comfortable with that label, mostly due to the rise of third-wave / intersectional feminism- Which seems to me to be much more concerned with actual equality and fairness, rather than simply wanting to invert the patriarchy.
My own belief system holds that the genders each have their own way of doing things which make us stronger when we come together as equals- But also raises questions about how we wish to work towards that goal.
Why do the conversations have to be difficult? By saying that, yeah, it’s probably going to be difficult, if one already expects it to be so. And being honest and open-minded, being civil with one another could, I would think, make things easier. If folks aren’t capable of that, why bother conversing in the first place?
I mean, this could just be me, but you seem to be complicating matters with your words. Yes, men and women do think differently, but they’re both still human. As humans, they’ve got a lot more in common than they may think. We tend to forget that sometimes, and just focus on the differences in genitalia and hormone-production-and-release.
A toast to all us humans then!
Cheers!