I did some poking around there. There’s a section “from the community”. I suspect that microsoft is just curating submitted images, some of which get flagged “featured”.
There’s a specific section marked “from the community”, so you immediately assume they all fall under that? GTFO
I suppose you also think they just slap the Zune branding on whatever they want, willy-nilly, with no thought to the artist’s desires.
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The context here is a web site because the guy in image #5 said something about “not linking” to the artist.
I’m trying to wrap my head around the relationship between the small-time jerk in image #5, who seems to have commissioned a digital image for his web site, and the freelancer he’s telling off.
Sure, if I drew something, I’d probably sign it. If I were looking to make a living from my works (a key theme in this post), I probably would strive to create things the market wants, and the market doesn’t seem to want signatures of artists all over the websites they’re being paid to beautify.
Hey, settle down! We can be civil, can’t we?
Zune branding
Holy crap! I didn’t even detect what that was until you said “branding”. I’d forgotten about Microsoft’s iPod.
This is a great example, thanks.
- dies from exposure *
It works! (Although the software here seems to think that is a bullet up front. I do not know why it would do that.)
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Sure, but you would probably be cheaper than hiring an outside firm (or even if an outside agency hired you). You would also probably do a better job, because you know your campus and its needs better than an outsider would. Would you do it for a substantial teaching reduction? I’ve done similar things (service work involving my abilities in exchange for a cut in my teaching).
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Irrelevant. But here’s a question: your school couldn’t find alumni from your design program who’d take the job?
Asking students to spend their time on logo design for the school does not seem equitable, especially if they need to be working/studying.
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I am not a lawyer, and this does not constitute legal advice, but if the picture is supplied with a signature or other identifier as part of the image, it’s probably wise to assume that it is meant to be displayed as part of the picture under the terms of the contract, even if one hasn’t bothered to read the bit about giving the artist credit.
And with pros, there’s usually a bit about giving the artist credit. Getty Images, for example, explicitly tell you what credits must be displayed when you buy and use one of their stock photos. They’ll even let you use photos for free if you’re non-commercial, but you have to use their widget for sticking the photo credits on the image, and you’re not allowed to take them off.
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No, not all, but some - the ones where they’re startled that someone wants money for a custom portrait (which seems like approach of someone who is part of a very casual, non-money based social economy), or who is asking for several years worth of work (which indicates they have zero understanding of what it means to work at all).
In this biz, those are often the same thing.
Both of you are essentially correct. Some commissioned work will have a chop/signature. Some won’t. Both are standard, common practices. It depends on the terms of the work/contract. Even work-for-hire is not necessarily a reliable indicator of whether or not work is signed, per se.
In the case of a rights purchase on an already-produced image, if there’s a chop, I make it very clear that it stays. Removal by my client would be vandalism and grounds for revocation of rights (not to mention very unprofessional). Admittedly, that’s never been an issue for any of my clients.
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I’ll see your Power Thunder Cat and raise you…
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Yes, but if they cut my teaching duties they’d have to hire on another faculty member (if only part time), thus at least partially negating the cost savings. I can see why a University would avoid that kind of thing just to cut down on the staffing and logistical headaches.
Not really what I was saying.
But if you can get a PS4 new for less than half the going retail, let me know. I will subscribe to your newsletter. = ; )
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Not if you want a good job.
But here’s a question: your school couldn’t find alumni from your design program who’d take the job?
From my posts above:
We eventually just had an alumnus design a modification/simplification of the traditional seal for around $5000.
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The thing we finally settled on was designed by an ex-student.
W/r to
I don’t know about “equitable”, but giving the students a chance to participate in a competition for a scholarship, as I suggested above, doesn’t seem like an especially onerous imposition.
My point is that any serious university has in-house resources - staff, faculty, students - who should be given a chance on projects like this. Obviously, it shouldn’t be something they do without some form of compensation. The amount of creative capital in a university is immense, and normally is quite a good value when they work on the University’s behalf because they have a stake in the job that transcends the commission.
I’m pretty sure that half an art professor is very substantially cheaper than the bids that came in on our projects. I think the reason my school didn’t think to look inwards first was that that particular president didn’t view us as a body of faculty and students, but rather as a branded business from which he drew his considerable salary.
Sorry, d_r. I missed those above.
Does the school offer contests with chances to win scholarships for, say, students doing janitorial stuff?
(My point being, contests are essentially terrible ways to parcel out real work. Probably any work. Everyone who participates waste their time on a chance to get paid for their labor/expertise.)
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No. No, no, no. That’s spec work, a.k.a. working for free.
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There are quite a few similar things the students do for free free, such as campus clean-up events on Earth Day, some building renovation (eg, during sustainability experiments), and so on. Student organizations and departmental clubs also sponsor parties and festivals, run free boating instruction and bike clinics, and the like. I suppose there are many local businesses that would love to compete for this business, but that’s not going to happen.
Of course it won’t happen, because those businesses don’t work for free. Sheesh.
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When I lived on Vancouver Island, literally all the software development jobs were from small businesses looking to pay university students absolutely nothing but a recommendation for their resume, which I’m sure went a long way to paying their rent and groceries.
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