Most European millennials would join "a large-scale uprising"

… not like this too much.

Dont get me wrong, I understand the reasons. But … what kind of uprsing? What kind of plan AFTER the uprising? Without thinking that, saying “yes” is a bit too much for me


Yeah, well, you could have a someone who bows out like Mubarak or someone who doubles down like Assad. I suppose it depend which way the wind will blow. I know Iceland had some large reforms a few years ago, but Europe is large, with various cultures and governments, and what works in Iceland might not work in the UK. Incremental reforms might help, but I guess I am pessimistic about large scale change anywhere. Dissatisfaction with the government is more or less a way of life.

Yes and no, but really, I thought the very small rocks and ducks would show it was tongue in cheek.

The question this prompts for me is what percentage of the European labour force is dedicated to guard labour? In the U.S. it’s been estimated at 25% of all jobs, which makes a large-scale uprising of under-40s difficult even with heartening statistics like these (assuming the media-industrial complex doesn’t do its job of keeping them distracted).


Toss in pizza & beer and the USA will do the same.

[note sarcasm]


Hey, hey, we are The Monkees
You know we love to please
A manufactured image
With no philosophies

We hope you like our story
Although there isn’t one
That is to say there’s many
That way there is more fun

You’ve told us you like action
And games of many kinds
You like to dance, we like to sing
So let’s all lose our minds

To mix it all together
Pictures, sounds, and songs
And time and place and weather
And even rights and wrongs

We know it doesn’t matter
’Cause what you’ve come to see
Is what we’d love to give you
And give it one, two, three

But it may come three, two, one, two
Or jump from nine to five
And when you see an end in sight
The beginning may arrive

For those who look for meanings
And form as they do fact
We might tell you one thing
But then we’d only take it back

Not back like in a box back
Not back like in a race
Not back so we can keep it
But back in time and space

You say we’re manufactured
To that we all agree
So make your choice, and we’ll rejoice
In never being free

Hey, hey, we are The Monkees
We’ve said it all before
The money’s in, we’re made of tin
We’re here to give you more


Google helps.
The study was run by the EBU, the union of European public broadcasters, and on their webpage they’ve got a more detailed article about the research project: EBU’s landmark Generation What project reveals picture of European youth | EBU

But you can skip that and go straight to the project’s page. You get all the questions, for all the countries:

And by the way, they are not using the terms “milleniall”, “gen-x” or “baby boomers”. The title of their project seems to be related to one of the question where they asked people to suggest a word in response to “We are the generation… what?”.

A few questions are bad and can’t be compared between countries.
For example, where the English-language question reads “Compulsory national military service should be (re)introduced for both men and women”, the local Austrian broadcaster asked whether women should be drafted in addition to men (we currently have male-only conscription).

But on the whole, there are many interesting questions there, and that goes way beyond the cherry-picked selection made by the “World Socialist Website”.


How did they manage in Northern Ireland?

Please note that I am not recommending a repeat of the troubles. I hope it never gets that far, but it might already be too late.


That’s the thing, I don’t see a large scale uprising in most of Europe or the US. Period. Protests, sure. I don’t think it is bad enough for civil outrage to change the government on the broad scale. They COULD vote in change, but too many people are entrenched in the status quo, voting against the other part, not daring to think beyond the two choices. Or they are so entrenched in their thinking, ANYONE not “them” is the enemy. And the systems in place are there to make any sweeping reforms hard to enact and cumbersome, because you can’t get all the cats in the room to stay in one place, much less agree to face a certain way.

I am trying to be more optimistic in life, but politics and government make it really, really hard to see optimism.

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Yeah, I mean imagine if small arms and improvised weaponry were effective for urban guerillas…instead of the swift victorious invasion of Iraq the US military concluded in 2003, the country would probably still be contested territory today!


And not only are Millennials not every young person (are current teenagers still GenZ or did that end when we stopped calling Millennials GenY?), starting it in the mid-70s is basically trying to destroy the concept of GenX.

To most Millennials, “join a large-scale uprising” means they would Tweet that they just Liked a Facebook page advocating a Starbucks boycott, spend the next week Instagramming highly curated latte photos from their favorite alternative coffee shops, and then promptly move on to the next faux social justice cause.


Can we just simplify it so that twenty years is a generation?

If you were born in a year starting with 194x or 195x, you’re a Boomer.
If you were born in a year starting with 196x or 197x, you’re a Gen Xer.
If you were born in a year starting with 198x or 199x, you’re a Millennial.
If you were born in a year starting with 200x or 201x, you’re a Gen Zer.


That would have the advantage of making Obama (born 1961) a Gen-Xer rather than a late Boomer as he is normally counted. Which would be nice given that the first significant Gen-X US politician by the standard definition would make it be Paul Ryan (born 1970).

In Germany, we didn’t call it an uprising. We called it the peaceful revolution. As a lot of people in the former Warsaw Pact states did with their revolutions.

We didn’t even have ducks, here. What ducks is this guy referring to, anyway? Why did he bring that up, @milliefink? Is he obsessed with ducks? I know someone who could help with that…


I dunno. Maybe the image of Europeans in revolt hurling ducks at their oppressors is funny to him, because it’s supposedly such a contrast to armed Americans fighting back against tanks, mortars, drones, SWAT teams, informants and snipers with relatively puny, peashooter-like weapons?

Depends on which side the Rednecks are on.

As long as you take school years into account.

Take someone born in late 1979. They will have been in a class at school that will have both gen x and millennials in it. it would make more sense to class them all as one or the other.

Not that I’m that great a believer in the idea of generations beyond shared experiences.

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Because rocks are a natural weapons, which make me think of very small rocks, which makes me think of ducks from this scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.


Perhaps it’s just to distract from the peacock in the room that those 52% are still rather civil-minded, and much, much less willing to stir any uprising than their predecessors in the 1960s and early1970s. You know, all those people marching in the streets against the Vietnam war, the capitalist state and (in the particular case of Germany) against hushing up the Nazi past in public life and their own families…

Maybe it’s also fallout from the famous cold-war infotainment videos? You know, this duck-and-clover stuff? (Or did I confuse something here?)

Well, don’t you know, talking about a revolution… whispers I’m all for a pea-shot, myself.

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