Oh, the election where 96,000 mostly independent Floridians voted for Nader and 200,000 registered Democrats in Florida voted for Bush?
What was your point again?
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How many Florida Dems voted for Bush, anyway? Or didnât bother to vote? How many votes did Nader take from Bush?
What if Gore had campaigned better, and/or picked a not shite VP?
Didnât SCOTUS and Jebby steal that election anyway?
Itâs ridiculous to blame someone for running and getting votes. Thatâs what democracy is!
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When Hillary Clinton was senator, she voted 97% exactly the same as Sanders.
Just sayinâ
Also find it hilarious that folks are complaining about the âlack of changeâ in the Dem party when whatâs this? These same folks DIDNâT VOTE in 2010 OR in 2014. With this current House and Senate, how does Bernie expect to do anything? Please Bernie folks, enlighten everyone. Thanks
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Thatâs a pretty narrow scope to look through when considering what kind of president either would be.
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Edited my comment after you wrote, my point is that everyone claims that Hillary is SOOO Right, when in fact 97% in her legislative run, she was the same as Bernie.
Please explain with the current House and Senate, how does Bernie expect to get any of his campaign claims across? Also, are you Bernie only fans, going to vote in 2018 unlike when you DIDNâT vote in 2014?
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Okay. Responding to the latter bit then, Iâm complaining and Iâve voted in every election since 1990.
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Do you find that this stance encourages people to vote for your preferred candidate?
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I honestly believe you, but look at MOST of âBernie onlyâ folks, do you honestly believe most of them voted in 2014? I donât, and the #'s prove it.
No, Iâm just a realist. Again, like Iâve asked every other âBernie onlyâ person, explain how without a friendly legislative (like we have now), how will Bernie make good on his claims?
The gall of Nader, for not being a Democrat⌠apparently. The DNC needs to get it through its thick skull that leftists in this country do not automatically owe them a vote if theyâre not going to represent their interests. Thereâs this weird assumption that because youâre on the left in some way, that Clinton or Gore or Kerry is somehow necessarily compatible with your values. Iâve said it before, and Iâll keep saying it until people understand: I. Am not. A Democrat. I donât owe the party shit. I donât share Clintonâs values any more than I do Trumpâs. I have my own values, and believe it or not Bernieâs donât exactly line up with mine. Iâm not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, I just have minimum standards that Clinton fails to meet.
Iâm not donating a sixth of my shitty almost non-income to Sanders because Iâm a fucking nihilist and I donât care who wins. I care very deeply who wins. You think I want a Trump presidency? The Arab guy with Muslim family? I donât. But my conscience doesnât see a difference between someone who has no qualms about war crimes, and someone whoâs already been complicit in them. At least the left and others will oppose Trumpâs brutality. Clinton masks it behind the smiling face of liberalism. I think on some level itâs really easy for people who donât pay much attention to whatâs going on in the world to think of the Obama administration and Clintonâs secretaryship as being largely benign. They havenât been. Thatâs just foreign policy. Do you want me to go through Clintonâs cozy ties to industry and my utter lack of amusement about this as someone who works a shitty job? I think there are people who are comfortable with the status quo because it doesnât affect them, and those people understand the least why someone wouldnât vote for the lesser of two evils. As if it makes a difference to me the color of the boot that is stamping on a human face forever.
Most votes are boring. Where it counted, she voted extremely poorly. At best, she changes her mind a lot when itâs clear that her positions make her less electable against Sanders. Look at the people who contribute to her campaign. You have to be extremely naive to think it doesnât affect where her loyalties lie.
Iâve voted in every election since I was eighteen, and that was over a decade ago now. I donât know what youâre on about. Unless youâre arguing that a lot of Bernie supporters are too young to have voted in the past election. If thatâs the case, so?
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Again, I have no way to know if you are truth in your words âI voted every timeâ or not. That said, the #s show everything. Non presidential election turn outs are lower, ESPECIALLY for the left. So while YOU may have voted, most of your other âBernie Onlyâ friends DIDNâT.
How will any Democrat? Do you really think the GOP will be more accomodating to Clinton?
We need a President with a better slogan than âno we canât, not yet, letâs not be overambitiousâ, but yes, we also need a Senate and Congress to back them up. And, as @Ryuthrowsstuff notes, the census year of 2020 is particularly important for that.
I donât like mid-terms, I think theyâre a stupid idea.
FWIW - Iâve voted in every election Iâve been eligible for, and will continue to do so.
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Yes I do. I think her experience and as âBernie onlyâ and Trump fans love to say: âEstablishmentâ helps her tremendously.
You honestly think Bernie really could do better? Really?
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Ok, Iâll play. Bernie has about the same chance Obama, Hillary, or any Democratic leader would have with this obstructionist Republican-dominated Congress. But that having been said, there are two more things to consider. One, Bernie has a history of working across the aisle to get things done, earning grudging praise from McCain and others for doing so. Two, Bernie has demonstrated he will fight tooth-and-nail, year after year, to achieve his goals. Contrast that with Hillary, whose talk of âbeing pragmaticâ makes me wonder if sheâs not laying groundwork to say, âwell shucks, we tried, the meanie Republicans wonât let us, letâs move on to something else.â
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