You know, I think the Logo is fine, certainly they could come up with a better name with a less archaic term. We have had several NFL teams change identities in the past couple decades. The Chiefs have managed to have a non-offensive name or mascot or logo.
AND - think about it - it is a money making scheme. EVERYONE will have to get the new apparel, coffee mugs, car window flags, baby onesies, dog leashes, etc etc.
wow, old age gets to us all I guess, he forgot to even use the words squaw or papoose anywhere!
Late stage capitalism?
The problem with āRedskinsā isnāt just that it is, as you say, archaic, but that its origins are in genocidal practices. Wikipedia: āProfessor Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz states that the settlers were paid bounties and they gave a name to the mutilated and bloody corpses they left in the wake of scalp hunts: redskins.ā
Itās as tasteful and appropriate as naming a football team the Gassed Jews.
As for the logo being okay, I think that judgment is best left to those people who are being caricatured. (Hint: they hate it.)
Well if a billionaire says itās okay, who am I to disagree?
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The logo isnāt a caricature.
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The historical sources to suggest that āredskinā originated from and refers to bloody scalps from bounties is lacking. The evidence that it referred to the Native Americans and the general color of their skin is not. You can find examples of Indians using the term to describe themselves, as well as āwhiteskinsā to describe European settlers. http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2013/12/18/redskins_the_debate_over_the_washington_football_team_s_name_incorrectly.html
I think ācoloredā is a similar word - archaic, some times used as a derogatory term, at one point was considered the more polite term than others, and some times used as a self identifying term.
Excellent video.
Iād be careful which neighborhoods you espouse that opinion in.
The word is offensive on its own but thatās still only part of the problem. The real issue is turning an entire ethnic group into a mascot, particularly when that ethnic group was subjected to a generations-long genocidal campaign by the ancestors of the people who own the franchise.
Can you imagine a bunch of white people naming their sports franchise āThe Washington Coloredsā or āThe Cleveland Negroesā?
Where did I disagree? Let me repeat my whole comment.
Iād be careful which neighborhoods you espouse that opinion in.
againā¦ where did I even go anywhere near there?
Go attend to the windmills?
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I donāt know how you are defining caricature, and I donāt want to debate it, but it is at the very least the misappropriation of cultural property.
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The slate articleās information is mixed; it even includes the information that "the 1898 Websterās Collegiate dictionary labeled red-skin āoften contemptuous,āā¦ but more importantly, you are assuming that the only credible history is western academic history, and giving no credit at all to the oral traditions of native people. I lean in the other direction.
But it all comes down to this: what you think doesnāt matter; what I think doesnāt really matter, either, because Iām not Indian, and I would be willing to bet that you are not either. Indians donāt like the name, Indians donāt like the logo. They are the only legitimate stakeholders in this issue. You donāt get to decide if their grievances are valid; you do not own their identity.
Says who?
The Kansas City Chiefs should also change their name to avoid giving offense, according to Amanda Blackhorse, the lead plaintiff in the case that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office just decided against the Redskins.
āIām not sure thereās anything the [Chiefs] can do at this point other than look for another name,ā Blackhorse told the Kansas City Star. āThey could be the team that says, āYou know what? We understand the issue and we donāt want to be Dan Snyder and fight this in court forever. We want to do the right thing and move forward and avoid this entire battle.ā Iām sure fans will be upset, but still, thatās doing the right thing. If they want to be sensitive to Native American people, thatās the thing to do.ā
i didn;t say you tried. i said you did.
Reflex requires zero trying, friend.
But hey, Iām probably not being clear again, amirite?
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I have never said that If I am not offended, others donāt have the right to be. At the same time - and this is just bigger picture, not specific to this discussion - not every feeling every person has is 100% valid. ETA - including me.
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What have I been offended about? I canāt recall every expression being actually offended on BB, though I canāt remember everything. Something seems to be standing out in your mind.
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Donāt worry, I never leave my moms basement. All my Cheetos and Mt Dew are delivered by Amazon.
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Iāll be careful not saying ācoloredā around my GF or her neighborhood. Thanks for your concern.
