Nuclear crisis at Fukushima continues to unfold: 3 reports by PBS NewsHour's Miles O'Brien (video)

If the only output from the nuclear plant is some non-radioactive steam, could the ‘nuclear option’ ever become palatable? … Aren’t they a ‘safe’ way to do responsible nuclear power. Or can those two words not coexist in a sentence?

Nuclear fusion would be incredibly sustainable if someone could pull off self-sustaining fusion reactions (they key words are “self-sustaining”), but most scientists say it’s a distant gamble despite some promising advances here and there. It has very little to do with dangerous nuclear fission, however.

The problem with nuclear fusion is the money and resources we spend on fusion could be wasted on a gamble that never works (or works far too late for climate change) while we could be investing more research and development into wind, solar, energy storage technology, etc. which we already know works but is sorely lacking in proper funding.

If we already had something like the modern scale of the Manhattan Project in the USA dedicated to wind, solar, tidal energy, etc. and battery storage, etc. and there was money to spare, then I’d be more excited about putting more funding towards fusion now.

That said, I certainly would welcome a breakthrough in nuclear fusion. I don’t fear words like “nuclear”, just global climate change and wasting time and money on the wrong course of action when at least one solution is right in front of us.

And what about liquid thorium reactors? Aren’t they a ‘safe’ way to do responsible nuclear power.

Liquid thorium reactors still aren’t near as sustainable and affordable (edit: link fixed, thank you @miasm ) as wind, solar, etc, etc. - It’s a falsehood that liquid thorium reactors are safe especially once you compare them to wind, solar, etc.

Your ability to express yourself seems to have exceeded your capacity for reason.

You asked me to clarify the word peripherally, which I did. I have not claimed any knowledge or expertise I do not have.

What exactly makes your own qualifications so much superior to my own, may I ask? Since you are making far more grandiose claims to knowledge than I have, and you seem to feel that my personal experience is unworthy of consideration.

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That last link seems to point to a defunct wiki entry, the relevant sub-link now seems to be:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor#Difficulties

And yeah, there are a lot of problems with fission of any kind, I guess. But wow, I mean, holy crap it’s a dirty technology.

Anyway, I went looking for… this

I did kinda think you were exaggerating when you said that the renewables could feasibly take over… you were not. Not really. Geothermal is kicking ass, hydro and onshore wind are pretty good too. Looks like the hookup cost of solar is pretty prohibitive but so is offshore-wind and I’m watching that happen before my eyes.

Looks like the cost-per-watt threshold has been passed and now the only things stopping the ball from rolling are the ornery and established geopolitical interests that are married to the ‘traditional’ energy suppliers so closely that they are indistinguishable as separate entities.

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I did kinda think you were exaggerating when you said that the renewables could feasibly take over… you were not.

I exaggerate a lot, but not in this case. :smiley:

That last link seems to point to a defunct wiki entry, the relevant sub-link now seems to be:

Liquid fluoride thorium reactor - Wikipedia

Ah, my mistake, I pulled it from an archive on my hard drive that didn’t reflect the edit where someone decided to change the heading from …#Disadvantages to …#Difficulties. I’m going to have to note that next time I use a local web archive file instead of a bookmark from wikipedia.

It’s interesting to note that someone felt the need to change the heading from “disadvantages” because it was “too harsh” and altered it to say “difficulties”. Ah, wonderful, corporate newspeak with a touch of subtle, link breaking, greenwashing in action…

There aren’t “disadvantages”, just technical “difficulties”. Haha…

Looks like the hookup cost of solar is pretty prohibitive but so is offshore-wind

The funny thing is it costs a lot more and is vastly more dangerous to build nuclear power plants and fossil fuel plants (and that’s even not including externalities). But industry attacks the cost of solar, wind, etc. anyway I guess in hopes that it creates the illusion that their dirty energy plants are cheaper by propagating only part of the picture and taking all externalities out of the equation.

Google searches on the topic is littered with high ranking think tank drivel and mainstream news is a corporatist joke on the topic for the most part. There’s a very concerted effort to disparage more sustainable energy resources and I frankly think it’s a miracle we’ve even gotten as far as we have because of it.

Looks like the cost-per-watt threshold has been passed and now the only things stopping the ball from rolling are the ornery, established geopolitical interests that are married to the ‘traditional’ energy suppliers so closely that they are indistinguishable as separate entities.

Industry has made it clear they want to milk their current infrastructure until it rots away. They’ve made a very successful campaign in keeping more sustainable energy sources at bay.

Once climate change goes wildly out of control (beyond where it is now) and causes mass suffering (beyond where it does now) I do wonder if people are going to want to know the specific names and addresses of those in industry (and their lackeys) who helped to exacerbate this global disaster for their own greed. I don’t support violence, but I’m not going to be surprised when they end up burned alive in oil drums either.

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They’ll be calling them “opportunities for improvement” next time you check…

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lol, I also have that thought!

I think the current generation of unlucky magnates have unduly inherited the hubris of their predecessors.
Not thinking for a moment that the luxury of ignoring the consequences of their actions retired along with the last generation of carpet-baggers.

That lot could get away with dying of old age before there were any real consequences to face, the new crop; not so much. Maybe that’s what’s up with all the private armies and consolidation of wealth crap.

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