Phoenix airport threatens to kick out TSA, hire private (unaccountable) contractors

No, Scalia said the “well regulated militia” bit was unimportant. Just give them the guns, don’t try to tell them when to use them. They’re good guys, they’ll know what to do.
My sarcasm index is high today.

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I was looking forward to the Flight Attendent adding a mass deputizing to the pre-flight spiel.

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beat me to the punch.

I guess I don’t see that the TSA is being held accountable for anything. Pre TSA, what did we use? Were they accountable? Why wouldn’t private screens be held accountable?

NOTHING we are doing post 9/11 has made us safer other than the better doors to the cockpits.

Keep on your shoes, run your shit through the scanner, allow us to take our water or booze on board, and let’s get on with it.

It is basically a fancy bus ride. That is all flying is. A fancy bus ride in the air. Turbulence is just pot holes in the road. We don’t go through ANY of these checks to get on a bus, even though if someone had a bomb on them, it would mean the same thing.

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I have never flown with checked luggage after my checked luggage was literally lost (as in never recovered) about a decade ago. That, combined with reports of theft from checked luggage makes me always carry my own stuff with me.

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(unaccountable) contractors

That basically describes the TSA, in a nutshell.

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Not even sure about the doors, at least internationally. The Germanwings tragedy with the suicidal co-pilot wouldn’t have happened pre 9/11 because the cockpit door wouldn’t be able to be locked,

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That is just an example is that you can’t make anything 100% safe. ESPECIALLY when it involves sailing through the air at hundreds of miles an hour.

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Wasn’t the TSA specifically created to replace private airport security in the wake of the 9/11 failures in Boston?

How about someone analyze the problem and apply a solution rather than playing ping pong.

Or maybe we should just let the market sort it out. Pull out all security and when planes start falling out of the sky (or not) and affecting the airlines bottom line enough they’ll put in just enough security to keep profits up but not enough to keep everyone save. That all but impossible anyhow.

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Crashing a bus into a skyscraper probably won’t set it on fire and knock it down.

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Stop watching the news. Your filter doesn’t reprresent reality. Come on over, you’ll have a great time.

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Except that there really weren’t any major failures in the security screening procedures in Boston on 9/11. Everything the hijackers brought on board (box cutters, etc) were completely legal at the time.

The real failures were systemic to the national security apparatus (NSA, CIA, etc) lack of awareness of Al Qaeda operations and the prevailing mindset of hijacking as a means to a political end. The use of jet airliners as suicide weapon was not seriously considered.

Hardening the cockpit doors and the realization that passengers will no longer meekly comply with hijacker demands has fixed 99% of the reasons why the 9/11 attacks were successful.

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This is the #1 reason there won’t be another 9/11.

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No tax on anything ever goes to what it’s supposed to pay for and once a tax is placed on something it seldom goes away.

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A private form hired by the airport makes it money by keeping lines short and getting people into their planes - plus more time behind security means more money spent. The TSA has the polar opposite incentive - keep people in long lines because a long time in security means a “more thorough” job.

Neither is accountable for their actions, and the airport can stay hands off either way. It’s just hard for me to imagine any way this is worse than the TSA when any complaints/delays have the airport management on site to do something versus a federally run institution.

And before anyone can misconstrue this - they are both shitty.

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To be fair, it’s unlikely they’d be any less professional.

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Also they didn’t carry them into the airport, they were planted ahead of time by a coconspirator working the other side of the gate from what I recall. (which could totally be wrong now for all I know)

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Sure, give èm guns. Just no bullets. And have the guns give electric shocks to anyone who uses them, then escort their twitching bodies off the plane… or have the guns spray paint in their face, or do nothing…

More like airports are malls for travel, and in a mall the stores pay for security with their rent. Ticket prices should be higher so they can pay for increased scanning.

Private screeners were the rule pre 9/11, IIRC. I don’t know that it wouldn’t represent an improvement, though I would argue that it either needs to come with full accountability or none at all. Otherwise it’s not an actual improvement in any literal sense.