Which model of XD requires one to pull the trigger to take it apart? I thought all of them had the take down lever that didn’t require a trigger pull.
I agree, I like the grip safety in the XD design. I also like the trigger feel more, especially with an aftermarket one.
Baffles the mind that Glock hasn’t introduced a take own lever after 40 years. and 5 generations. But I suppose doing so would require a different barrel design that isn’t backwards compatible. That and the ego of “Glock Perfection” isn’t so perfect.
The safest carry pistol out there, IMO, is the S&W Shield EZ. and its re-marketed double stack version Equalizer. It has both a grip safety and a thumb safety option. The thumb safety doesn’t block the trigger, but completely disengages the trigger parts from interacting with the sear. The grip safety also disengages the trigger parts as well as the firing pin block. Redundant safeties that basically make a discharge from a snag impossible.
If you think people shouldn’t own semi-automatic handguns. Fine. Go on with your bad selves. If you think the M17/Sig 320 is too dangerous because the military adopted, that is silly.
As above - if you think no one should own a semi-automatic handgun - fine. But the military adopting it has nothing to do with it being a “particularly effective killing machine” above any other semi-auto handgun.
There is NOTHING special about this pistol as far as that goes.
Winners of these things, once they shake out which models have the features they want, boil down to price and support costs. Sig almost won the previous contract for the M9, but lost to Beretta who had cheaper support packages. The one feature that Sig did better than the others is make it so the internal chassis of the trigger components is the regulated “firearm”, and the plastic grip is a replaceable part with 3 different sizes to better fit the wide range of sizes of people in the military. That doesn’t really make it more dangerous (nor is is the only model out there with customizable grips)
It may be surprising, but that depends on the country. In the UK, yes absolutely impossible. Germany, Austria, Czechia, it’s actually quite possible, although rare. I don’t know about the other countries. I have a friend in Germany who has a permit. If I do have a chance to move there it’s going to be some medium-sized town that’s a lot calmer and safer than where I am now, and no reason for a CCW.
What makes them dangerous? Too many criminals committing crimes. It’s not wild bear attacks. I need to get out of my commitments in this area.
If you’re asking, what do I think are the root causes of this? That’s one of those things that has been hotly debated for decades, perhaps centuries, by people who are far more knowledgeable than I. I try to focus on things I can control.
Glock really has this Austrian mindset of “we’re going to keep doing what we do”. They have hardly changed in their design since the beginning. It would be pretty astounding to see a Glock with a manual safety and a takedown lever. I would want that if they made it.
So, lots of domestic violence? Teenagers causing vandalism? Opioid and meth overdoses? Pickpockets? Shoplifting? Carjacking? Armed robbery? School shootings?
Every place has lots of crime. What is the crime situation there that frightens you so much?
Robbery, assault (I mean in public, not DV), and carjacking. That’s it. All the others don’t impact me, and are beyond my control.
I’m not sure that every place has lots of crime. I’ve certainly been to places like Singapore that are basically free of violent “street crime”, which to me means robbery and public assaults. It’s also free of graffiti, drugs (they punish those extremely harshly) and shoplifting. I don’t have any idea what’s the incidence of DV there. Tokyo was also a similar experience, there’s just about zero violent street crime, but again I have no idea what DV situation is. Many places in Europe are like this also.
Edit: to be clear, I’m not concerned about crime because it’s illegal, or some insurance company or corporation is going to lose some money, or whatever. I’m concerned about personally getting injured. The other issues are a lot more abstract than my own physical safety. I think this is pretty reasonable.
Ah, The Heartland, where right-wingers always tell us pure Real Americans™ live (as opposed to “dangerous” cities like Chicago and NYC and San Francisco). It’s almost as if Gym Jordan went up against the New York D.A. for reasons other than the realities of crime there.
There’s a countervailing mechanism not mentioned in the article that makes up for this: The secondary sear notch. If somehow the sear bounces down and releases the striker, there’s a half cock notch that will catch the striker hook afterwards. It can be seen on the animation they have of how the gun works in the article. It’s just not called out at all.
It also calls out that the trigger moving ~2mm will disengage the safety lock tab. It doesn’t also mention how long the actual trigger travel is. AFAICT, from web searches, is it moves about 3mm. This appears to be most of the travel that has to be done before it will disengage.
While that Wikipedia article makes it sound like this is at least a semi-common occurrence in Germany, I feel like I have to stress how incredibly rare the granting of such a permit is: if you’re a bodyguard, you may be issued one only if your client has been assessed by the police as being in especially acute high danger. As a security guard? Forget it unless you are guarding a nuclear power plant, a military installation or very high value cargo. And while you need to have a general permit to be able to acquire and carry a gun in general, to carry it in public for the above mentioned reasons you also need a permit for every single mission.
I have an XD-9 from the first revision of that series. On page 27 of the user manual in the field strip section, after rotating the take down lever, you have to pull the trigger to release the entire slide. And while it’s unlikely that some chucklehead would leave a loaded magazine in the firearm to field strip it, we all know that stupidity has no known limits, even after it was stated in the first and fourth steps of the process…
On a related tangent, that’s one of the reasons why I modified my Ruger MK.III to disable the magazine safety- in my arrogant opinion, you should not ever need the magazine inserted in order to field strip a firearm, and the way the MK3 is designed requires you to remove and insert an (empty) magazine at several steps of the disassembly process. Good idea in theory, but the way it was implemented… not so much.
Totally agree. Because any gun that has this situation, people are going to get lazy and use a loaded magazine while field stripping. And in guns like a Glock that require a trigger pull, that’s an even worse situation.
Really there should be a takedown lever that allows it to be taken apart even if the user fails to clear the chamber, no trigger pull should be needed, no magazine should be needed.
I really would like to carry a the M18 style P320, with the manual safety, if I had one.
There is concealed carry in Northern Ireland for personal protection, thanks to the sad history of the Troubles, but the licences are hard to get. Pistols are pretty well illegal in mainland UK.
True. Kansas City is worse than Chicago by per capita stats. Chicago is maliciously maligned because of the numbers, vs per capita. It is true there are bad crime areas in Kansas City (there is definitely a violence issue), but it isn’t like a war zone or “3rd world country” as it is often painted. I am sure it is the same way in Chicago, where most critics haven’t set foot in the city. (Last time I went was a long time ago, but it was very nice.)
Ah, I wasn’t aware that they were different. I have an XDm. Glad to see they updated the design some. At least it looks like the slide is to the rear when the trigger is pulled, which wouldn’t enable it to fire, I don’t believe. Unlike a Glock.
I didn’t know that about the Mk III. I suppose that is part of the trigger disconnect mechanism? My Mk II lacks that. But it doesn’t matter, because both the Mk II and Mk III are fucking night mares to take apart. I just clean the chamber from the outside and call it good. Though part of me would like a Mk IV as they finally made a version easy to field strip.
Same here. the hammer and spring mechanism I always have the worst time putting back in, so I just attack the chamber with q-tips and cleaner, and snake the barrel before calling it good.
