Post-mortem: the new ‘Star Wars’ trilogy wasn’t worth it

Seeing CGI yoda flip around like a ballerina was more like a punchline than a revelation.

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As befitting the actor who beat Basil Rathbone and Errol Flynn’s record for being in the most swordfights on film (Basil being one of the most accomplished swordfighters in Hollywood history, but he invariable lost his fights on camera, playing the bad guys)

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it wasn’t just what disney did to his character, it’s that he received huge amounts of hate due to his skin color online and disney did little to nothing to support him.

getting his character sidelined in the scripts then seemed like the bigots won.

same for tran, same for the clumsily made and pointless “poe isn’t gay here’s a hot woman he slept” subplot

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The Prequels were trying to tell a story about Anakin’s path to the Dark Side, but it turned out the equivalent of “hey kid, want some drugs? Cool, go murder a bunch of kids”.

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I was about to make a comment about the Youth of the Day being upset about war over oil, but Ep 1 was before Gulf II.

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Per the Clone Wars, it’s really more that the Republic is controlled by exploitative interstellar corporations and the Separatists are made up the colony worlds that are sick and tired of being exploited, with several of those interstellar corporations playing both sides by selling arms or lending money in return for political favors, etc, and of course both sides in actuality being controlled by the same person and being bashed together so they’re both worn down to the point that they can be taken over in a coup.

As for the Jedi… they’re taken from their parents as young children, raised to be some combination of soldier, policeman, and diplomat that sacrifice themselves for the greater good; it’s not surpising that they at least would have a huge blindspot towards the ethical issues surrounding the clones - it sounds like their normal. …which is probably also why they get along so well with each other, though they might not realize that influence.

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A moment I actually like in that movie is where Christopher Lee’s character tries to use force lightning on Yoda, who simply catches it and tells him he has a lot to learn. That makes more sense to me for a master then just being a more agile sword fighter. Yoda versus the emperor should have just been reality distorting until one gave up.

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Well you certainly have made a case one can’t really argue against. The Empire engaged in conscription and enslaved the Wookies and others. Maybe the New Republic ended slavery. If not, then there may be no “good guys” in Star Wars. Just different degrees of bad.

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Hego Damask (Darth Plagueis) paid for the clone army via Damask Holdings.

He already owned and controlled Rothana Heavy Engineering (already a clandestine skunkworks for Kuat Driveyards) and just instructed RHE to work with the Kaminoans to build all the equipment for the clone army.

Damask Holdings also paid the Kaminoans for the clone army, and when Palpatine killed Plagueis, he inherited Damask’s estate. He then transferred management of Damask Holdings to the Intergalactic Banking Clan on Muunilinst.

That’s why the republic threatened to invade Muunilinst during the clone wars series. They’d become insolvent and needed more funding. And they already had the clone army. So why not put it to use solving their funding problems.

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They didn’t.

They had the jedi (about 10,000 religious fanatics) and the Judicials (about 3000 dispute mediators and policebeings).

The republic expected systems to independently handle their own security and wars were extremely discouraged. The republic specifically chose not to involve itself in shooting wars.

The senior officers in the Republic military (such as Tarkin) weren’t clones. Clearly the Republic had some kind of military structure in place even if it wasn’t up to the task of a full-scale war until the clones came along to bolster their ranks.

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The republic didn’t.

Like I said systems were expected to handle their own security.

Willhuff Tarkin was a member of the Eriadu Defense Force for about 15 years before the clone wars. The Eriadu Defense Force was never owned or controlled or integrated into the republic. It was entirely the business of the royals and nobility of Eriadu. They only patrolled the Eriadu system. They only cared about pirates and security threats in Eriadu.

Don’t you think if the republic had an army it’d have sent a regiment or whatever to Naboo to try and handle the Trade Federation blockade?

Naboo had only just recently bought those N1 fighters as well. They were only meant for fighting pirates.

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I would argue that being in the upper atmo from space entry is a bit different than flying around at the lower part of a gravity well and hiding under an ocean with no problems.

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The Republic and the Jedi Council obviously had no interest in doing anything about either the Trade Federation blockade or the new Sith threat. The Council deemed the whole matter so unimportant that they neglected to send even a single additional Jedi to help Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan on Naboo.

They literally just sat there with their hands in their laps. Didn’t even offer to help find a babysitter for Anakin while the others flew off into battle.

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Kids today!

(ROTJ was a pretty big let-down in it’s time too, as I recall.)

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The Mandalorian fans, “Disney has created the best Star Wars ever!”

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Indeed, and to some extent if some good not so hard to explain in a movie reason existed, but they decided not to film it…or filmed it, but decided to cut it, well that is actually in many ways worse!

Yeah, sure the entire central premise of the plot, in fact a significant part of all six movies could have made sense, but we decided people would like the movie if it was two minutes and fifteen seconds shorter.

…well, we didn’t actually make it shorter, we had two minutes and fifteen seconds more of Jar Jar, because market research tells us the eight year old segment is really key to future toy earnings…

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The Kanan comic series addresses the problem of Jedi automatically becoming Generals, and the damage it causes both in terms of them having to learn in actual battle and also the damage to them personally when they are thrust into war and responsibility for their soldiers without the relevant preparation. Also highlights the relationship between the clones and Jedi leaders and the trauma of order 22.

I’m guessing part of it is the constant parallel to the way that young, inexperienced, but higher income/education officers are placed in charge of much more seasoned ncos.

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This is why I dislike the online Star Wars fandom. I enjoy the movies. I feel like there is no place for someone who enjoys the movies in the fandom.

Were there problems with the last trilogy? Yep. They felt like there was an overall plan and story line for the trilogy in the first movie, which was destroyed in the second movie, and a rushed patch job for the third movie from Abrams who decided to ignore the second movie.

I do blame Disney, but not in the way that most do: I blame them for not holding their ground and making the movies they designed. Screw the haters; I don’t think “the fans” have been supportive of any movie since Empire. But the fans are wrong, and in pulling the punches for the fans they have screwed up both the prequel trilogy and the sequel trilogy; what we got was good; but what we could have gotten would have been so much better.

I hope they have the guts to stick to the original notes for the remakes.

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“Traveling through hyperspace ain’t like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova, and that’d end your trip real quick, wouldn’t it?”