You should know that many jobs that once existed literally no longer exist in the US. And yes, working class people have moved for work.
I agree. I’ve heard labor people make that some point - that migrant workers need to be accept and brought into the labor movement, not subjected to racism because people are frustrated… You are assuming that all working class people feel the same about immigration and they actually don’t.[quote=“muddi900, post:45, topic:75077”]
I would also point out that painting all poor whites as Trump voter is Stereotyping.
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I never made the inference or assumption. Plenty of working class people are voting for other people - Clinton, Sanders, even other republicans. I’m not sure where you got that from, but not from me.
I was just describing how I understand your point of view. I do not engage in ad hominem attacks on nameless, faceless people on my screen. I’d much rather give them the benefit of the doubt. That’s my advice to you too.
You do realize that you just did the opposite of giving @Ulysses the benefit of the doubt on him knowing about poverty, right? You just said he doesn’t understand it at all. Why not give him the benefit of the doubt that he might understand poverty? [ETA] You don’t need to agree with him to do that, either. You can think he’s wrong and still accept that he might know something about poverty…
Benefit would require doubt in this case. I gathered his ignorance on the subject due to his comments. In fact I gathered he was ignorant on most subjects when he starting frothing at the mouth on the first sign of ‘rich’
I could’ve pointed out that ‘rich’ as a relative term and that in dollar amounts I would not even be able to afford an apartment in New York City, in the best of times. I could’ve pointed out that I am an immigrant as well, which would mean times aren’t so good. I could explain the complex economics of living standards, upward mobility and great personal anecdotes, but he made it clear when he said he wanted to rob me because of one personal detail I revealed that wasn’t even part of my point, despite claiming not to be a Marxist*, that he is not interested in discussion.
So no, I did not have any doubt that he was talking out his ass, from which to derive a benefit.
I think Lenin called that “voting with your feet”.
Preventing that is part of what anti-terror laws do. If everybody named “Mohamed Hussein” isn’t allowed to travel, that’s a few hundred thousand that can’t vote with their feet.
In any case, there isn’t enough work to go around any more. There aren’t enough legal jobs available to occupy every human on the planet that needs a job.
BTW, sorry about the hostile tone here. I recommend you ignore any post you consider impolite.
Barring global disaster, this will only ever get more true. Manufacturing will gradually come back to the US, but it will only employ programmers, researchers, and skilled machinists/craftsmen/mechanucs. Not unskilled labor, ever again. Unless you abolish the minimum wage, than maybe some people will still need work so badly they’ll be cheaper than robots.
Or, you know, we acknowledge that the concept of “need a job” is going to be obsolete at some point, probably within my lifetime.
It wasn’t even Washington, as bad as Washington can be. It wasn’t immigrants from Mexico, excessive and problematic as our current immigration levels are. It wasn’t any of that.
I do note, however, how they took time out both for bashing Washington and for taking a shot at immigrants. (Not even bothering to claim they speak of only illegal immigrants, of course.) So I guess they’re not completely off message just yet.
The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die.
That’s a hell of a deluded pivot for the GOP-of-inherited-wealth to publish in NR after 30+ solid years of trickling “Shining City on a Hill” puffing to people who actually know what real work feels like.
The rich kids are having a toddler meltdown. Yikes!
