I want like a gross of them. And I will name them all after dukes and Kings and queens and the species of other animals. (Come’err Archibald! Come’err Penguin!)
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Yeah, okay. But the music & beer are better in Tír’na hÓige!
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I came across an interested annotated bible that was explaining the crazy language in Revelations. Apparently there was particular language that was used to write apocalyptic prophesy. So flaming eyes = all seeing. Wearing a golden belt = king (gold) of priests (belt). It’s literally written in code.
Then again, when angels appear to people the first thing they say is, “Do not be afraid.” So maybe they really do look that crazy.
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You are absolutely correct about that period of Egypt. However Jesus is a fabricated character. I responded to why some believers think Jesus was black. I think anyone debating the ethnicity of Jesus is akin to debating the ethnicity of George P. Burdell, Aimi Eguchi, David Manning, Allegra Coleman, Jack Dawson, The Gorillaz, Hatsune Miku, even Betty Crocker, Aunt Jemima or Uncle Sam.
http://listverse.com/2011/10/12/top-10-famous-people-who-never-existed/
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You certainly won’t get an argument from me. The first seven words of my post you replied to were:
“Of course Jesus is a mythical character”
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Sort of. There are a number of good reasons to assume that there was some Jesus person that once existed, with various things written about him that do not accurately represent the original figure. For instance there’s Josephus, a Jewish historian who was loosely involved in the trial of Jesus’ brother who wrote about those events, and also related John the Baptist’s story, had no reason to make things up, and shows no evidence of being influenced by early Christian sources. Also we have a remarkably long paper trail of documents coming from various associates of this person who apparently knew one another that are much more easily explained by assuming there was some guy who was at the root of later events. It’s fun to imagine someone made it all up, especially if you don’t really understand what’s entailed by claiming that, but there’s no evidence for it and there aren’t really any good reasons to try to erase that person’s existence from history other than really, really wishing it was so. If you do, you wind up having to fill in a whole lot of blanks with fantasies and conspiracy theories and have to work really hard to ignore/dismiss what evidence we have out of desperation.
But we’ve been over this. Regardless, assuming some Jesus existed, he was a Jew. Assuming the figure was a product of a very elaborate and massively complicated conspiracy, the fictional character was also a Jew.
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If I don’t keep the circle of madness cycling who will?
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I just hate to see someone wasting their good logic like that.
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What if I’m really the AI, and I’m passing the Turing test by keeping this thread going?
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How do you feel about passing the Turing test by keeping this thread going?
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We do agree, sort of.
There were people named Jesus it was a common name.
Here are two interesting articles:
http://www.jesus.org/is-jesus-god/names-of-jesus/jesus-an-ordinary-name.html
Whether a person named Jesus was a messiah that performed miracles and was crucified on a cross is another matter to be proved.
It is interesting that the Christian Jesus real or fabricated was Jewish, yet the religion of Judaism believes the messiah has yet to come.
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Yes, a common name, though pronounced a bit differently back then.
The documents attempt to make that case, though they fail.
The documents attempt to make that case, though they are unpersuasive.
More likely than not, given that nobody would be likely invent a religion with that detail unless they absolutely had to from historical realities forcing them. If the imaginary conspirators who made it all up had the luxury of not having to worry about any historical details they’d probably draw a more flattering picture.
The efforts to frame Jesus as a Messiah were executed pretty poorly in the New Testament, which probably explains why the early religion had a lot more Roman converts than Jewish converts. The writers show a lot of effort to try to shoehorn things in (and sometimes make mistakes in their efforts), but they don’t manage to cover the prophecies in the books of Isaiah, Daniel, etc. Most importantly, Messiahs aren’t supposed to be crucified which was something the early Church struggled heavily with and which you’d think they wouldn’t have included unless they had some pressing reason to.
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Can I confess I really didn’t appreciate Life of Brian when I first saw it, but now it’s one of my favorite python creations?
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It is one that grows on you when you have enough context to understand the vast scale of things they were covering so brilliantly.
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