Sanders will vote Hillary

Both of which he made clear were not going to happen.

But hey, if you have a chance to mischaracterize a potential ally, why hold back!?

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I agree with this - it might even be too late - but HRC is generally pro-science, and I think there is at least some (if not overwhelming) hope of action if she is presented with an evidence-based case for immediate strong action.

We have had a persistent problem in the US where politicians believe that science is amenable to the same kind of negotiation that political issues are. Weā€™ve even seen this with the otherwise-savvy Obama, with his statements on encryption. Eisenhower was the last president who seemed to genuinely respect scientists (other than Carter who kind-of was one). This transcends the climate change issue.

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Iā€™m honestly unclear why itā€™s either surprising or angering that Bernie is now doing exactly what heā€™s repeatedly said he would do in supporting the presumptive candidate. Heā€™s repeatedly said, since day one, that he would support and vote for whoever had the most popular support, and that his followers should do the same to prevent Trump from being elected. Soā€¦ Iā€™m glad heā€™s sticking to his guns.

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And then gradually, gradually, over the course of a quarter century, they got it to become the basic narrative starting point about her even for some segments of the Left. Credit where itā€™s dueā€“they played the long game here. The 20-year-old ā€œprogressiveā€ who agrees with her on 95% of the issues and yet somehow knows in his soul that Clinton is a scheming harpy wouldnā€™t have gotten there if Rush Limbaugh and company hadnā€™t been incredibly persistent with the narrative they built around her.
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And thatā€™s a very important point that the Democrats are missing.

Yes, itā€™s a smear campaign. Yes, itā€™s 99% bullshit. ITā€™S ALSO FUCKING WORKED. One third of the country hates her passionately, and another third just plain doesnā€™t trust her. If you actually care about winning, you donā€™t run a candidate with those stats. They are going to spend most of their time convincing people that sheā€™s not as bad as they think, rather then talking about her positions. Itā€™s an incredibly weak starting point.

The Democrats have deliberately chosen a candidate who is most likely to make a huge swath of the American people give up and stay home on election day. They chose her over someone with huge populist appeal, who was bringing in record numbers of people to his rallies.

And when we point out that this is a bad tactical move, we are told that we are the stupid ones who donā€™t grasp the big picture.

Itā€™s looking like this election is going to come down to two of the least liked candidates ever-and Mark my words, that means record low voter turnout, which never turns out well for the democrats. Say what you will about those of us who cast protest votes, but at least we show up; if anyone is going to be responsible for indirectly electing Trump, itā€™s the people who donā€™t show up at all-and thatā€™s on your head, not ours.

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Thereā€™s going to be a lot of bad blood in the coming months, but as furious as I have been and expect to be with the ā€œheighten the contradictionsā€ set, I hope I never get to the point where I do something as mean-spirited as marking anyoneā€™s words from the 2016 campaign once itā€™s over.

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In original post I word very poorly, and I can now see why.

Given the expected binary choice of only two (victory-capable) candidates, yes of course. It would very difficult to make the non-Trump ticket unappealing enough to sway my hypothetical vote!

I was originally trying talk about enthusiasm and hope. Two feelings the Sanders campaign sparked.

It would be so novel to vote for somebody you believe inā€¦

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