Science Babe takes down Food Babe

Nicely put, and moderate.

Yes, and still resembles what I suppose is the taste of a factory floor. At the end of a shift. In a hot and humid environment. In a place with bad sanitation. Need I go on?

Is that kind of image format pronounced “giff” or “jiff?” I try to avoid them since there doesn’t seem to be a strong consensus among third graders.

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Water, flour and yeast ARE made of chemicals. Furthermore, Dihyrogen Monoxide inhalation is responsible for thousands of deaths each year.

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We mostly get cancer because we live longer, the longer you live the more likely you are to get cancer, which is mostly caused by just being alive (smoking aside).

We’re not more healthy in every regard, but the single biggest cause in health problems in the modern world (again, aside from smoking) is our sedentary lifestyles. Diet has actually a fairly minor impact, in fact we consume a lot less salt, fat and sugar than we used to 50 years ago, see this study from the British Heart Foundation:

Overall intake of calories, fat and saturated fat has decreased since the 1970s. This trend is accompanied by a decrease in sugar and salt intake, and an increase in fibre and fruit and vegetable intake.

This is probably largely because we’re a lot wealthier and have more productive farming infrastructure, so we can enjoy a much more varied diet.

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Then don’t drink the stuff. But don’t act like Jackhammer Jill has chemical companies going down on her under the table because you don’t personally like it.

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I really should proof read before someone quotes me!

Wasn’t me, I don’t even know what that means!

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[quote=“Phrenological, post:10, topic:55063”]What do you want, bringing up some arrest record or proof of fraud? [/quote]That would definitely be new and fresh.

[quote]Her proudly-ignorant gimmick doesn’t change, the “teardowns” won’t either, nor will her flock really appreciate them anyway.[/quote]Exactly, it’s like they’re preaching to the choir.

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Science Babe used Azodicarbonamide as an example of how Food Babe is wrong.
Of course, Science Babe trusts the FDA’s GRAS classification. However, the World Health Organization warns “The level of risk is uncertain; hence, exposure levels should be reduced as much as possible.”
The substance is not authorized for use in food products in the EU and in Australia. The EU also bans its use in plastics which will come in contact with food.
Trusting the FDA may be a dodgy proposition these days. With all the evidence that our consumer protection agencies are corrupted by corporate interests, I have a hard time trusting them.

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I am not sure you’ve ever eaten genuinely gross bread if you think Subway’s bread is gross.

Can you point to any evidence showing any harm? Saying “The level of risk is uncertain” isn’t the same as saying “there is a risk here we know about”, the level of risk is uncertain about everything we know little about, doesn’t mean it’s dangerous. A lot of this is because it’s very hard to prove a negative, so this is frequently going to be the case, and there’s not much we can do about it.

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Sure thing
base info with minor studies
http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/40abcj28.htm
The EU reasoning
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2004:007:0045:0046:EN:PDF
http://www.who.int/ipcs/publications/cicad/en/cicad16.pdf

Ah, mea maxima culpa. It was @AcerPlatanoides.

have you posted the wrong link?

Azodicarbonamide has been extensively studied and the theoretical
point with regard to the possible effect of unconverted
azodicarbonamide was covered by experiments using overtreated flour or
bread made from it. The evidence strongly supports the view that
azodicarbonamide is rapidly and completely converted to biurea on
wetting and that this substance is stable in bread. Biurea itself is
metabolically inert, has low toxicity and does not present any
carcinogenic hazard. Azodicarbonamide has been adequately studied in
several species and is similarly free from carcinogenic hazard.
Long-term studies in mice are in progress (Frazer, 1966).

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Nope, I posted early … as in before I pasted all the links. Sorry about that. There are more if you are interested

My point is more that this woman can’t be trusted because she obviously know so little about science for it to be laughable. We shouldn’t even worry about the origins of her fearmongering based solely on her ramblings. If there are valid points there, I’m sure someone who has completed a high school science course is making those points without incorrect ‘facts’ and paranoid opinions.

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To each his own, I suppose.

Just wanted to point out that longer lifespans and better medical knowledge also contribute quite a bit to greater incidents of diagnosed cancer and cardiovascular disease. There’s a lot more than diet involved in those, and lumping them together with diabetes is extremely misleading.

She uses the classic techniques lots of nut job conspiracy theorist use. They pose questions with out acknowledging there are answers for them, and then make “common sense” statements which sound like they make sense, but anyone who knows an ounce about the matter knows it is full of baloney.

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