I don’t think there’s anything that can be said about this kid that hasn’t already been said.
Of course, I still feel outrage, but it’s outrage at the systemic factors that allowed this to happen. What he did, and how leniently he was sentenced, are just symptoms of a much larger societal problem, unfortunately…
I’m finding the reaction to this disturbing. Yes, that judge should be recalled and disbarred. We should be angry at him for what he did.
Turner has paid the debt society demanded of him. Yes, we should have demanded more, but that is in no way his fault. We’re supposed to be helping to reintegrate him into society at this point in the process.
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Definitely. He shouldn’t be encouraged to commit suicide. He needs to “enjoy” having to tell his neighbors for the rest of his life that he’s a sex offender. He needs to have to dread every date, job interview, and background check. It’s quite literally the least he could do if he isn’t going to stay in prison longer.
Your cognitive dissonance is a little disturbing. If the judge should be recalled by the voting members of society, it seems like society is demanding more. If society does want to recall the judge, clearly this rapist hasn’t paid the debt that society has demanded of him. He’s done what one flawed judgment from one flawed judge demanded of him.
I’m struggling with my feelings and thoughts on the case. It’s very clear that the punishment was too light, and judging from reports of Turner’s attitude over the whole thing he is not repentant over his actions. And every fiber of my being wants to hop onto the mob mentality of seeking justice, and that last bit troubles me because i must assume that many others must feel the same.
There’s also the question of having served your time and repaying your debt to society. Would one consider the debt repaid if the person in question has no remorse? Should Brock Turner be punished more severely? How so? These are questions i’m asking myself, out loud of course, but i find the whole situation frustrating on many levels.
Who is this “we” of which you speak that owes him so damn much?
I’m not keen on relitigating rape cases after all is said and done, or acting like people who have raped should be consigned to some human garbagr heap. I’m not even going to pretend there isn’t some element of injustice in selecting Brock Turner as the scapegoat when there are so many others.
But right now? He doesn’t deserve anything from me or anyone else here.
I’m not angry about the good time credit provision. If a guy is sentenced to a year in prison for having a bag of weed, I’m happy to see him get out early. My gripe is the fact that a rapist’s sentence was only six months. He should have been sentenced to the 14 years the prosecutor was seeking.
Mob justice isn’t justice. Nothing should be done to Brock such as beatings or illegal harassment, however much that might satisfy some people. He should have every legal remedy pursued against him though, such as getting a civil lawsuit, having the history of his actions brought up randomly in the news every time he does anything newsworthy, et al. If he does anything to violate his probation, you can fully expect a new outrage if a very heavy metaphorical book isn’t thrown at him.
The time served/debt repaid thing isn’t very helpful in my opinion because the qualifications for these vary from person to person, so there’s never a cut and dry answer. Some people think a person is always a criminal and that they can’t reform. Some people think time served is it. The question seems irrelevant because there’s no objective method of determining an answer that anyone can really agree on.
It’s like porn. You know it when you see it. In this case, you know there’s injustice in the light sentencing, but there’s some possibility for legal justice otherwise. A civil suit would be very satisfying. Imagine Brock having his wages garnished every month to pay his victim as a constant reminder that he messed up. That could be some justice. Not necessarily enough for the victim or society, but some.
In California, you either get a determinate sentence (e.g., 20 years) or an indeterminate sentence (e.g., 15 years to life). For an indeterminate sentence, you’re required to serve the determinate part before you’re eligible for parole – the 15 years or whatever – which can be cut in half by good-time credits, called “conduct credits” (although not always).
California has two “life” sentences: life with parole, and life without parole. The latter sentence is self-explanatory. The former is not; a straight “life” sentence, by default, comes with minimum parole eligibility after seven years, although depending on the crime, it could be more than that.