Student ejected from ceremony for graduating while black

Yes, those were my words.

Kid didn’t err. He said fuck you when asked to compromise on some not-especially-onerous rules he didn’t like. That wasn’t an error.

Exactly right. That’s what he was doing when he refused to compromise, he’s a kid so he shouldn’t get in too much trouble for the disruption, but disruption isn’t always good. I just got back from a wedding reception where a disruptive kid was plunging his face into a punch bowl.

No, it is not “his” school graduation, it is a ceremony shared by his parents, his classmates, their parents, and his teachers. If that community agrees that this kind of decoration is OK, then that’s cool. If they don’t, its not.

Look, this is a fairly new high school in a diverse community. They will evidently have to have an internal community discussion about things like strict interpretation of commencement rules. The speed with which people are ready to assume that the teachers are being racist for enforcing the current rules, and the kid a heroic rebel for refusing to do what they ask of him, is why “public school teacher” has become such a sucky job.

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Do you think LEOs should have been called to drag him out of there? And do you agree that it’s more likely that happened because he’s black?

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There are certain bits of regalia (for lack of a better generic word at this hour) that begin to get an easement on the civic or governmental uniform – yarmulkes (and other religious clothing) have been allowed in the US military formally since 1988. And I think, as long as they stem out of a well-channeled tradition, should be embraced. I think Kinte cloth and graduation certainly falls well within that path now.

If a school district wanted to say, “no, you can’t wear a 5’ tall ballon animal on your head, even if you come from a long-line of itinerate animal-balloon twisting street buskers”, they’d be within their rights. But a Kinte cloth seems like a fine, (little-c) conservative, modest, and now traditional thing in public ceremony.

Also: Specialist Lamba looks like a bad-ass motherfucker here

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No. Yes. I don’t know.

I have a lot of respect for high school teachers, I work with them on occasion, it is a hard and often thankless job and one of the hardest parts of their job is maintaining order. During the regular term there are a few tools that teachers have for disruptive behavior, such as sending students down to the principal’s office, detention or threats of detention, and so on. Such tools were not available in this situation. This student did not offer much alternative, it was his way or nothing. I know that many people like to think of teachers as petty autocrats, and this is a common stereotype in high school movies, but I think it is mainly not true, and people who think that teachers are often or even frequently on a power trip are mistakenly using the worldview of some past version of themselves. In this situation I am inclined to think that the teachers were trying to do what they thought was best for the day, and the student was being difficult, and the reason I am inclined to think this is that in my experience most teachers try to do what they think is best, and many 18-year-olds like to test the limits of their power.

The teachers in this case had to make a decision in real time, and I don’t know if calling in the cops was the best decision but I’m not sure I could have come up with a better alternative on the spot.

It is not a question that makes sense, he was ejected for refusing to remove his kente, I do not think a white student would wear one. I suspect that had another student worn something they viewed as violating the dress code, and they asked him to remove it, and the student did not comply, the reaction would have been the same, though in the absence of an example we will not know.

I think it is a big leap to accuse these teachers of being racist. Perhaps they are, as most Americans (and everyone else) are racist to some degree, but I think as a group teachers tend to be less racist than the average person, even less so in districts like this where people of several ethnicities live side-by-side in relative harmony. A much simpler explanation is simply one of a student testing his power against some teachers during a school function, and the teachers responding to that test of power the only way they could think of on the spot.

While the yarmulke is not a good example (it fits under the regalia, moreover just wearing the mortarboard alone is headwear and therefore a religiously acceptable substitute), Sikh headwear as you pictured is an excellent example of something that schools will certainly have to learn to accommodate. Perhaps that is true of the kente as well, if a student’s culture requires it to be worn daily.

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Let me see if I get this right:
1: Person is a student at a high school
2: Graduation take’s place at said school.
3: School has a dress code spelled out in student handbook.
4: Never mind as this is BB…

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Do you think LEOs should have been called to drag him out of there? And do you agree that it’s more likely that happened because he’s black?

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You can go back to your post and manually edit the wrong poster’s name out and the right poster’s name in.

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It also wasn’t an arrestable offense, was it? Always glad to see someone lining up to defend the powerful, though

I suppose we should clam up and take the beat down without response when we speak truth to power and power gets mad… according to power, thems the rules.

but them ain’t the rules, and power don’t need your help.

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There is a difference between a private affair, like a wedding, and a public school graduation, yeah? I didn’t find the guys kente cloth to be anywhere near the same thing as wearing shorts and flip-flops to a formal wedding. Maybe he didn’t think it would be a problem, since he was indeed wearing his cap and gown, as required for the ceremony.

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I suspect that had another student worn something they viewed as violating the dress code, and they asked him to remove it, and the student did not comply, the reaction would have been the same, though in the absence of an example we will not know.

Why do you suspect that this situation would be handled no differently if a white kid had done the same thing? Have you not seen any of the numerous studies that show how very different the disciplinary treatment of black students and others is?

I suspect you have, but just explained them away as you have here, with your belief that (white) teachers surely wouldn’t do such things because they’re, what was it, better people than others?

You know, (and I think it’s quite possible that you do know), MANY studies prove that teachers and other authority figures tend to treat black students worse, including the enforcement of much harsher forms of discipline, often involving the summoning of LEOs in situations where that doesn’t happen when white kids are involved. Why are you so anxious to explain away the likelihood that that happened again in this case? Why are you expressing sympathy for the general teaching population instead for those they tend to abuse?

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If I wear crazy shit at my graduation for my PhD, do you think the cops will come haul me away? Or will they just shrug it off as a giddy, middle aged white lady being silly?

[ETA] I guess I understand that @d_r is looking to defend teachers (who often get a bum rap, TBH), but it’s pretty clear that race was a factor in the decision to call the cops, since, as you point out, many studies have shown that black kids face harsher treatment in the classroom. I’d also guess that many of the teachers who dole out the harsher punishments don’t understand themselves as being racist, but they instead think they are helping in some way. They’re unable to look at their own attitudes and judge them as racist because they don’t see it in those terms. They see themselves as enforcing rules evenly across their class.

But yeah, whether or not a white kid got in trouble for something like this, I doubt the situation would be seen as needing to call the cops.

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I wonder how they would have dealt with Bernie Grant.

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If I wear crazy shit at my graduation for my PhD, do you think the cops will come haul me away? Or will they just shrug it off as a giddy, middle aged white lady being silly?

I have some suggestions! Especially since, yep, you’re less likely to get stomped on for it.

http://i.embed.ly/1/display/resize?key=1e6a1a1efdb011df84894040444cdc60&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FCFJai4EWMAAaKNj.jpg

ETA: maybe leave out the cross on that last one.

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You’re kind of taking the position that it’s inappropriate for a school administrator to make a rational judgement call? Let’s not pretend a swastika and a kente are the same thing. If they had just let it happen it wouldn’t have created anarchy — they could have continued making judgement calls in the future.

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That will be perfect! And it will stand out doubly, since I’ll have the PhD garb on, too.

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Very well put. The analogies used here like a kid with his face in a punch bowl or swastikas are missing the point by a fucking mile. This is a culturally appropriate expression that is not disruptive, not hate speech, and not damaging. Unlike every other example trotted out.

It’s just soo stupid. There is a fucking thing called nuance.

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I agree. I find the comparisons to wearing a swastika a little bit offensive, actually. Then again, there probably is some people who see an expression of African pride to actually be hate speech… Maybe some of them are running this school?

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Think about the only dumber thing than ejecting the kid is the headline of the article.

Thanks for making it dumb for us bb. We wouldn’t have understood if the issue had been conformity with racial overtones. Thanks for making it simple so we can get straight to congratulating ourselves for knowing better and being better people than those bad old school administrators and cops.

Truly, thank you.

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No. The question is on what non-arbitrary and not-first-amendment-violating basis do you exclude the swastika and accept the African heritage indicator? That’s the question to be answered. Not do you like swastikas better than African heritage indicators? Not, Are you afraid of African heritage?

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