His ruling is basically saying “I’ve got mine, fuck the rest of you”
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That’s probably the most reasonable response I’ve read thus far. Thank you.
And no, I don’t have it, so by this reason I can’t say Asians are being discriminated.
Worst Supreme Court Ever.
Would never recommend.
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People love to hate what they don’t like. I’m guilty of it as well. I think AA is correct, but it is notorious for having higher bar for asian americans, which I believe is wrong.
I think heart of AA is in the right place, and it’s wrong to just rip it apart like this just because the implementation is slightly wrong, and the intention behind it is obvious. And the only thing I was proposing is that while AA can boost, it shouldn’t penalize other minorities. I can’t answer for the legal definition of discrimination against Asians in admission, but it just comes from personal experience as a college student. I’m obviously not a lawyer, but I think I can tell when law is used to do wrong things to people.
I also disagree with the view that it’s just to even out representation - because this means that if a minority is doing well in school, you’ll be pushed down whether or not you are facing disadvantages in other parts of the society. That’s unfair, and I’m surprised at the vitriol against this argument.
Unfortunately, model minority is a tool for white supremacists, so even when the argument is not wrong, it’s been used to do wrong, and so here we are with this corrupt supreme court.
It is indeed- those other factors need to be factored into the determination. Usually it access to education, credit, capital etc. It needs to be both social and economic discrimination for affirmative action to apply.
So - what is the disparity for this group?
There’s no question of social discrimination. Economic doesn’t seem to currently exist.
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That’s the model minority myth. If you are asian, you can be as rich as you want, but don’t expect to live anywhere outside of metropolitan areas without facing discrimination. That money is the price they pay to be safe. Don’t be fooled by it.
That’s a remarkable disparity! Wow, I had not seen that previously. Certainly eye opening.
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Saying that you’re economically discriminated against because you have more income is nonsensical.
Yes - social discrimination. But affirmative action requires both factors.
I mean - it did. Now it doesn’t exist. And arguing that African Americans are the cause of it not existing because it somehow discriminates against a group that is way over represented in admissions- and has more income that the majority ethnic group is flat out wrong.
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So flamatory would be the opposite?
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You can’t separate one against the other. If you are Asian and rich in US, you can be treated more like human. If you are not, you are treated like insects and cheap labor. Come to East Coast to find out.
The former (economic wealth) is a reaction against the other (social wealth). If you are a minority, there is no one looking out for you or root for you. You can see it in some of the replies here.
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Going to a non-Ivy school is not being pushed down or set on a lesser course in life. There are many people who get into an Ivy school (or several) who decide to attend a different educational institution instead, because it’s not always the best choice for everyone. No one of any race is discriminated against merely for not being able to go to one of the most famous 8 schools on the East Coast.
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Anything you’ve argued on behalf of Asian students could be argued equally for Jewish students. If your argument is so sound, let’s see you defend Jewish students instead.
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Just as having most of a college community being similar in most aspects (white, upper middle class, from a highly regarded high school, sports and musical extracurricular activities, etc.) is less valuable to the overall educational experience than having a more diverse group, it’s the exact same issue if the majority of the group in question are, for example, Asian upper middle class students from a highly regarded high school with sports and music extracurricular activities. And again, they’re not being ‘disadvantaged’ if they go to one of the THOUSANDS of other colleges and universities available. Ostensibly, if they’re so smart, they can excel anywhere.
Yes, it is helpful to have a group of other students one identifies with, for at least some socialization, but that doesn’t mean all the time, in every aspect of college. That would be a lesser educational experience…for white students, or Asian students.
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I’m a trans person who lived her entire life on the east coast.
And you may have an opinion of what affirmative action means to yourself- it doesn’t comport with the law. As it used to be - or as it is today.
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If you are Black and poor in the US, you are treated like insects and cheap labor. If you are Black and rich in the US, you are STILL treated like insects and cheap labor. Rich Asians aren’t dragged out of their cars during a traffic stop, or arrested for trying to enter their own home, but it happens disturbingly often to wealthy Black citizens.
My kids live in different East Coast cities, and would laugh if I told them some college student on the internet was making this argument.
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This is the discussion for inclusion of say gay white men in government diverse contracting goals as well.
They’re not included because there’s no analysis supporting economic discrimination. Social- yes.
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- I think where you graduate from does affect the economic outlook of the person. If that is applied as a group, it does push the entire group down.
- I think discriminating against Jewish people is flat out wrong.
- “if they are so smart” they can take the abuse, right? That’s what Asian Americans have been hearing all their life when asking for promotion or any type of favor. Find your wealth elsewhere is the narrative that minorities have been struggling with all their life.
I don’t suspect the justices of being against that; I’m just not sure it explains handling military academies separately. Those are the relatively prestigious(and often fairly well regarded for their non-military courses as well) commissioned officer track; not the economic conscript with marginal high-school-equivalent one.
I could imagine that the DoD has an interest in being able to pick the officer corps it believes will be most compatible with the people it expects to enlist, which could well include a fair bit of affirmative action; but that same level of indirect interest could be argued for by the rest of the schools to whom it is now forbidden, so that’s not an immediately obvious distinction; and there’s not much direct link between who gets in to west point and the overall supply of battle poors.
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What in your vast experience makes you assume that?
So that’s different than how you feel about discrimination against Asians?
How is that a response to my 3rd point? What abuse? If a college class is mostly white or mostly Asian, the same lack of diversity affects everyone in that class. If whites and Asians are more evenly spread out through the thousands of good college communities, then everyone gets more out of the experience. And since there are so many good schools, and your claim seems to be that Asians are magically stronger students than others, then they will do well even if they go to the #9 school in the country, or even – heaven forbid – the #27 school, or #54.
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Oh, you’re one of those coastal elites we keep hearing about. Good to know.
Probably explains your obsession about only a handful of schools in one part of the country. You do know there’s an entire country, right?
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This is literally the argument that white supremacists use: that any effort to lift Black people up pushes [white | Asian] people down.
You want to fight hate and discrimination against Asian Americans? Great! I support you! Point to some actual examples of anti-Asian discrimination (of which there are many) and let’s get to work.
You want to argue that trying to increase the percentage of Black people who attend American universities to better reflect the demographics of the country as a whole is inherently anti-Asian? That’s nonsense.
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