With the last few comments, this thread has kind of gone off the rails, and I believe that it is simply due to a misunderstanding stemming from the phrase “take it.”
“Take it” can mean “to submit or acquiesce,” but it can also mean, “to listen to,” as in the expression, “Take it from me.”
Let’s remember that not everyone is a native speaker of English while striving to be as clear as possible in what we write to avoid such unfortunate misunderstandings.
I’m following what you’re saying. What happened is a failure of Congress to pass anything over the past 50 years while Republicans have been whittling away and passing trigger laws preparing for what is happening. But it comes across as smug and frankly mean towards everyone who has been pushing for, ringing alarm bells, and fighting as well as really callous towards the people it affects.
The basis of what you’re arguing is that it isn’t protected because it isn’t law. This ruling explicitly says there are serious concerns regarding the constitutionality of the Texas law–the Supreme Court just doesn’t care if constitutional rights are affected while they decide on the legality. Sure, passing a federal a law would make this more clear. I doubt there’s anyone here replying to you that wouldn’t like that, but it also doesn’t seem like it would have affected this decision and a law could still be challenged constitutionally.
This is never going to happen because we have the Constitution, Government, and legal system that already exist in the US and nothing short of fabricating a new legal system in a new country is going to change something that foundational. But we’re going to have to protect women legally anyway. It will never be your problem. So what is your angle here? What do YOU propose we do since you have set yourself up as some kind of outside source of wisdom on the rights of people you share little in common with in a country you don’t live in?
I do not accept roll over and die as an option though. And I outright reject “sucks to be you” as premise for debate because NO SHIT it sucks to be a woman in Texas. No one needs to tell me that. So what better proposal do you, in your great wisdom, have for us all here? Anything? Sincerely?
That is a long standing conservative trope but not really true. RvW was built upon a recognized right to privacy, most notably on Griswold v Connecticut (1960). Bodily autonomy has always been grounded in basic constitutional rights.
You are correct that legislation is the typical check on judicial power but it sometimes has unintended side effects. Ex. The RFRA was passed to get around the ruling in Smith v. Employment Div concerning religious liberties. The problem with it was Smith was actually a good decision. The only time Scalia was intellectually honest and not outcome oriented.
To (re)state the blindingly obvious:
If we lived in a society where support for abortion rights was strong enough to push through a Constitutional Amendment protecting them then we probably wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with.
We haven’t even been able to get the Equal Rights Amendment ratified and that has been kicking around since 1972.
Why are you talking to yourself? I mean - literally here.
My fellow US citizens, who here agrees that we are currently experiencing a constitutional crisis that profoundly impacts our rights?
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So someone on my favorite local Facebook page just told me, with regard to vaccine or mask mandates that the 9th amendment says…
It gives you the right to keep personal matters private and to make important decisions about one’s health care or body.
Gee, if that’s true why all the excitement in Texas, why doesn’t someone just check with that Facebook Constitutional lawyer?
I asked if that held true for the abortion issue but I suspect I will be told something stupid.
As far as legal anything goes, the one salient point was made all the way back here. This is a story about a Republican state passing something they know violates the law, and a Republican-packed supreme court finding whatever excuse not to care. Anyone who thinks the issue could have been fixed if it were a different type of law is ignoring the whole history of that party and of authoritarianism in general.
And just as a general tip for men, when you manage to get all the women in a thread saying you have completely missed the point, it’s probably not you being attacked so much as you missing the point. Consider re-reading instead of doubling down.
But there is something Democrats can do. They can work around the Texas anti-abortion law. To do this, however, they will need to get creative to protect women’s rights. They will need to be willing to challenge “norms.” They will need to act like Republicans.
NO! Bad The Nation! Stop that right now!
Stop talking about Democratic party vs Republican party when there is finally a functioning left wing (admittedly attached to the Democrats through necessity) who are offering alternatives that aren’t either.
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