For his business. None of the evidence came from government based sources. The NY Courts aren’t going to let it go.
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My wife, myself and my youngest confirmed and verified our voter registration. With all the shit ongoung, thst is going to be increasingly necessary. Voting is not sufficient, but it is necessary. If this were not so, the fascists would not be spending do much effort to keep us from doing it.
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They were also acts as a candidate looking to maintain his image, which even this batshit crazy decision clearly marked as unofficial.
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This isn’t entirely true. Trump’s lawyers will argue his tweets that he made while president that were submitted into evidence are “official presidential communications” and can’t be used as evidence. I wish I was making this shit up. Utterly ridiculous, but everything about this is.
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Courts already ruled his Twitter feed isn’t official communications and allowed him to block other users (which the president isn’t allowed to do with his official communications.)
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We roll up our sleeves even farther and make sure the rotten pumpkinhead never darkens the door of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue ever again. I’ll vote for a week-old bowl of potato salad before I vote for Trump if said bowl has a D after its name. Get involved if you aren’t already. There’s a level of campaigning for everyone’s comfort level. We cannot have another November 2016. We won’t survive it.
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This is probably too late to get a chime in - and maybe someone asked it up thread (I skimmed, but it’s a lot)
How does this effect the military with respect to “following unlawful orders”.
So, say a president ordered a drone strike on the resident of a former president. Or a current candidate. ISIS cell in the basement, or some such excuse.
The commander isn’t under obligation to carry out an unlawful order. But this was done as Commander in Chief, so does that make it a lawful order? Circular logic there.
I would think they could still refuse because why perhaps it would be lawful of the president to make such an order, the commander doesn’t have immunity and to follow such an order would be unlawful.
Of course, this only works if we have sane people holding the various keys to power other than the President. If you have someone like Flynn as the commander, he would carry out such orders with glee. 
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I was thinking this too. My friends in the military (all officers) assure me that there is a heavy culture in support for the rule of law and the constitution that they would not execute an unlawful order. My response is always, what about Mike Flynn? They tell me he is well known for riding the coat tails of someone more competent to get promoted. I guess we can rest assured that the fascists in the military, are, incompetent???
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Presumably, three things happen after this theoretical order.
- The person decides if they’ll take the illegal action or not. They are not immune.
- Someone decides to charge them for the illegal action if they do it.
- The president then decides if they’ll pardon them for the action.
Also possible is that the president promises number three while giving the order to influence number one and negate number two.
All of these systems only work at all because people respect the systems and behave based on cultural norms. Throw out the respect, throw out the norms, and everything starts to fail.
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Yeah, I have that feeling for most of the military. The higher ups I think are apolitical in that they aren’t going to do things unconstitutional.
TBH, I am less worried about this extreme scenario, and more worried about other bad, but less severe ones.
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so much for sentencing before convention. so much for ever getting this man prosecuted. just blargh.
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Presumably the fact that Trump is immune to prosecution for giving an illegal order does not confer legality on the actual order. Thus the recipient would be right to disobey.
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How the ACTUAL FUCK can you make an argument that his private business is part of his “official acts” as President?
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The recipient would then risk being disciplined or prosecuted for refusing to obey an order. It would depend on how corrupt and compromised the miltary justice system had become under King Donald.
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How the ACTUAL FUCK can you make an argument that his private business is part of his “official acts” as President?
Because his reason for running for preznit in the first place was merely to enhance his brand/increase his wealth.
That’s nonsense, but I’ve loss any confidence that this six-pack of black-robed toadies would refrain from using such an argument to defend Don The Con Tromp.
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To think, all of this was simply because of a tiny push of under 100k people in a few districts. Without that, Hillary would have been President and none of these events would have happened.
So how does this genie get put back into the bottle? Once you say the President can do anything, how in the world can you put a restriction on it?
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