Texas mom arrested after her bully-revenge drink hospitalizes child

As I said in an earlier post, bullies and their enablers are not only adept at working the system, they typically are the system. Thus the law does not give a damn about going after any transgressions that a bully may have committed, it is only interested in protecting them from any consequences of their actions.

So it makes perfect sense that the system turned a blind eye to this bully’s prior aggressions regardless of the fact that the series of muggings perpetrated by the bully prior to this incident appeared to happen so frequently and predictably that it allowed his victim, sorry, I mean target and his family (I feel I have to refer to them now as targets and not victims going forward because it is clear that the system sees bullies as the only ones who can truly be considered to be deserving of the title of victims in these situations) to plan a defense against one of the bully’s inevitable assaults.

And because the target’s family had the nerve to think they could successfully interfere with the incessant and remorseless string of attacks against their child, the system will now unleash the full force of the law to try to utterly destroy this target and his family to make them an example to other targets of what can happen when you to try to stand up to a bully.

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I think I can elucidate my point about why that is not actually the law, and how it has crossed over from enforcement to abuse to interpret it that way.

This story has a major unreliable narrator problem. I think we can agree that depending on the school and sheriff for “the facts” is a problem. The following scenario, while constructed by me, is entirely feasible given the questionable nature of our only sources of information.

The mom never intentionally doctored the drink. She was in a hurry getting the kid off to school and accidentally doubled the drink mix. Kid goes off to school. Bully steals the drink. It tastes bad. Bully either freaks out or fakes illness, hospital, etc. etc. etc.

In that case, which is possibly what actually happened, your interpretation of the law would be that there was harm (when there was none), intent (when there was none), and threat (when there was none). This mom would be arrested and could go to prison for accidentally mixing a double Gatorade.

Now point out how that really differs from the story as reported, legally, given the mom is a nurse and mixed up a drink that was harmless in fact.

In our society that cannot ever be interpreted as illegal. That is why this case isn’t enforcement of the law but rather abuse of the law.

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Reading through all these posts, it’s making me wonder, where’s the line between food “designed to harm, even slightly” and just “bad cooking” or “not culturally normal”?

Clearly using rat poison while cooking is over the line.
Anything classified as a “drug”, over the counter or not, also clearly over the line.
Cleaning products in food, also clearly over the line.
Food safe cleaning, say vinegar in a coffee pot, that’s not completely gone and leaves a residue?
Mixing up ingredients, using salt instead of sugar?
Just plain bad cooking?
Recipe from a foreign county that’s unexpected?
Something that’s been hanging around a little longer than its shelf life?

Some of those are clearly wrong on many levels, others not so much.

I didn’t see if the story included that this was a prepackaged Gatorade that had been altered or if it was a powder mix that needs to be prepared (possibly poorly).

The story is clearly suggesting intent. If we accept that at face value, we still don’t know what other alternatives had been attempted. Don’t know what resources they have available to attempt alternatives between both time and money. Some of the avenues available require resources someone might not have.

If TV has taught be anything, stories like this end badly for everyone. They don’t tend to end until something forever life altering has occurred to one of the participants.

All we can really guess is that one of the actors here doesn’t really want to take part in these events but they’ve been backed into a corner and don’t have a choice.

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Yes and, to add to that list:

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The question here which really occupies my brain for a second: is ‘Texas mom’ the new ‘Florida man’?

What the discussion here has convinced me is that the legality is subtle enough that it is something that ideally would be determined by a court.

I wish I had faith it would be a good one. However, given that literally every example we have of authorities acting in this story is to protect the bully at the expense of his victim, I’m sure a trial is just one more tool to punish the latter and his family. We already know there are worse harms going unaddressed, and that already makes this a mockery of justice regardless of the legal details. :disappointed:

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I guarantee you that it is likely in a lot of Texas schools some children would actually be arrested as such. Honestly this isn’t great either, it’s how you get the prison pipeline kind of effect. It’s also frequently very very overtly biased when it comes to things like race or money.

If we invested like a quarter of the amount we do into police instead into a social workers program maybe, some kind of mediation services, etc? IDK…

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Another thought that occurred to me was if the mom, aware that the bully was habitually stealing her son’s food, was now responsible for making sure that her son’s food conformed to any allergies or sensitivities of the bully.

Not in the overt “The thief is allergic to peanuts so I’ll give my kid a peanut butter & jelly sandwich.” way, but in a “Lots of kids don’t like grapefruit, so I guess my kid who loves grapefruit can’t have any in his lunch just in case it gets stolen.” kind of way.

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If it were well and truly an accident, and the mother never intended for the bully to drink it, then there would be no crime. That is a possibility, but it would come down to what a jury believes. (The mother should absolutely use that in her defense.)

However, “harmless” does not take the biological definition.

It uses the legal definition:

“loss of or damage to a person’s right, property, or physical or mental well-being”
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Whether or not the bully actually suffered any loss or damage to mental well-being is truly debatable, but it is something that is unknowable and must also be left to a jury to decide if they buy his recalling of events or not. Whether or not the damage to his mental well-being was his own fault comes down to a question of: would he have felt that had he not drunk the drink? It may be partially his own fault, but if the mother intended for him to drink the drink (again, unknowable), then we really need a jury to determine to which degree each person is at fault.

Right now, we are not talking about a conviction, which requires the factors that you list. We are talking about an arrest, and an arrest only requires the possibility of intent and harm. As intent and harm (based on mental well-being) cannot be determined objectively, I am afraid that it really does fall to a jury in cases like this.

You are right in saying that we have an unreliable narrator problem, but as this involves what was going on inside three different people’s heads, there are no reliable narrators at this point. When this happens, it must go to a jury to decide what they believe beyond a reasonable doubt.

ETA: A prosecutor could still determine that a jury is unlikely to buy the bully’s story and simply drop the case. I sure would if I were the prosecutor. I wouldn’t want to take this in front of a jury. I am just saying that a prosecutor can take this to a jury under the letter of the law.

ETA 2: And yes, am aware of the implication. If somebody ever does something to you that you do not like, you can technically press charges against them for assault and make them go in front of a jury and explain how it wasn’t intended and see what a jury believes. Whether the DA gives you the time of idea is another matter, of course. Yes, I am fully aware of just how crazy that is. I realize that what I am saying makes absolutely no logical sense. But that is my understanding of the legal definition of assault, and it is what I have seen in assault cases that have been brought against people for the silliest of things in the past. It is also worth noting that assault can be charged as a misdemeanor or a felony; assault stemming from some nuisance will of course be classified as a misdemeanor.

This story reminded me of a tale I’d heard as a kid. It was about a person who - having been the victim of a burglary, set a ladder on the side of their house to entice another home invasion, and had built a mechanism which captured an intruder once inside. In the version as-told it was so successful that the police had to beg the homeowner to cease. Assuming it was some sort of apocrypha - I did a bit of googling and happened upon this -

… I think this is very likely the source of the retold myth (spoiler alert, it’s fiction) and kinda neat in that the writer was local to these parts and had some other interesting pursuits.

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Hopefully now that this has media and police attention they are able to press charges against the bully and get someone to listen to them. An avenue they may have been unsuccessful with or unable to leverage before.

One would hope it’s harder for a prosecutor to ignore just one side.

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The bully is likely to be too young to prosecute, and that’s a good thing. 9 year olds shouldn’t be any part of a criminal proceeding. That said, if this goes to trial, discovery will be a shitshow for everyone. Any adult who has witnessed the bully doing his thing will be on the stand to recount it. Any ties between the bully, the bully’s family, the school, and the police will have a spotlight shined on them. Administrators at the school will likely lose their jobs. Possibly even police. And ultimately, even if there is more evidence of planning and communication by the victim’s mom such that this case actually does meet the criteria for assault or harassment, she’s a sympathetic defendant and highly unlikely to be convicted by a jury.

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You’ve completely missed my point with the example of the taste of the beverage being an accident instead of intentional.

Let’s use a mechanism from physics to examine it. Let’s use frame of reference. Look at the case from the frame of reference of the bully. The bully went to school, took a beverage from one of his victims, and found that it tasted nasty. He realizes that the beverage he took could have been poisoned or doctored by the other child in retaliation for the bullying. From there we have two possibilities.

First, he panics, and anxiety causes physical symptoms of headache and nausea. It is an exercise for the reader how much of those symptoms are due to fear or due to guilt. As you say, they are unknowable and thus not relevant to the legality. He goes to the hospital where they run tests and eventually release him the same day.

Second, he schemes, especially when no physical symptoms present themselves. Instead, he realizes he can punish the victim for trying to strike back, while garnering sympathy and getting the rest of the day off. He fakes symptoms, goes to the hospital, they run tests, send him home later that day. It’s a grand adventure and he can continue to milk it for sympathy for days, maybe weeks.

Here is why this exercise highlight why we, as a society CANNOT consider this a crime. The outcome in the frame of reference above, is independent of the actions or intentions of the person accused of a crime. If the change of flavor of the drink was intentional, accidental, or imagined, the outcome is the same.

That all changes if there is explicit communication of a threat. If the victim had told the bully that the drink was poisoned, if the mother had included a note on the drink, etc. etc. NOT just the mom or victim reporting the bullying - there’s nothing explicit to tie the taste of the drink to the reporting. There has to be an explicit message tied to the drink to raise this to assault or harassment.

Finally, here is what makes the comparisons to harassment or stalking so ridiculous. In the US, people are harassed and stalked a lot, with VERY little response from police. In order to get police to pay attention to it, even if there has been frequent, extreme, threatening behavior, there has to be ample, explicit evidence of the behavior. Written or electronic messages, witnesses, video or audio recordings. Even then it’s tough to get law enforcement to put down their donuts and pay attention. But people are insisting that the flavor of a drink is explicit evidence of a threat? Come on. Pull the other one. The fact that the police made an arrest over that is a pretty strong indicator that there is undue influence from the bully’s parents on police to do so.

ETA: Regarding any of this being unknowable until it’s put in front of a jury, that’s nonsense. It is the responsibility (albeit rarely exercised) of the police to only arrest someone when there is evidence of a crime. It is the responsibility of the prosecutor to only charge someone with a crime when there is strong evidence that person committed the crime. Investigation to find that evidence in the US justice system must precede charging someone. [insert Duh-DUH here] If every case where there MAY have been a crime went to trial, our courts would be flooded. It is explicitly the job of police and prosecutors to determine there is a crime and to find evidence tying the accused to the crime. The water bottle and bully’s symptoms would be sufficient to determine there may have been a crime. The missing piece is intent to harm or threaten. Unless they have that, they should hot have charged the mom with a crime. And that is explicitly their responsibility, not to explore whether maybe it was intentional in court.

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Violence can indeed be effective.
Look at say, 1776.
Or BLM
You can have all the media attention and go through the courts and even ask the cops nicely to stop being violent bullies… but it might not work.

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Everything that you have said should and probably will be explained to a jury if this goes to trial.

It is a prosecutor’s job to prove intent and harm, and the burden of proof lies on the prosecutor.

As I have said, the police could also drop the case as lacking merit, but as you point out, police discretion is a double-edged sword.

It is entirely possible that the bully imagined being poisoned because of his own guilt or just pretended to be sick, but those are also claims that we cannot simply take at face value. They have to be proven or shown to have been likely. It cannot be presumed based on the “fact” that the bully is a bully, because that is also a claim that has to be examined.

All of these things will be examined before a trial. They will not all be examined before charges are filed. Indeed, the mother and her counsel will also have an opportunity to examine things before the trial starts.

No. It’s the responsibility of the prosecutor to examine all of those things before charging someone with a crime, if they are essential elements of the definition of the crime. There is a reason crime shows use the term “fishing expedition” in court. It’s never supposed to get that far unless there is evidence of each element of a crime. No case should (and I’m meaning “shall” here in legalese) go to court without evidence of each necessary element of the crime. To do so would be prosecutorial misconduct.

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It hasn’t gone to trial yet!
The prosecutor has to get all of that before the trial, not before filing charges.

Nope. From the American Bar Association:

A prosecutor should seek or file criminal charges only if the prosecutor reasonably believes that the charges are supported by probable cause, that admissible evidence will be sufficient to support conviction beyond a reasonable doubt, and that the decision to charge is in the interests of justice.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/criminal_justice/standards/ProsecutionFunctionFourthEdition/#:~:text=(a)%20A%20prosecutor%20should%20seek,in%20the%20interests%20of%20justice.

Don’t believe what you see on crime dramas. Investigation comes before charges.

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Yes. Not proves. Reasonably believes.

Jesus fucking christ, Jesse!

that admissible evidence will be sufficient to support conviction beyond a reasonable doubt,

In other words, the first person the prosecutor has to prove the case to is themself, BEFORE CHARGING SOMEONE WITH IT!

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