He’s merely carrying on the tradition of his teachers. Obi-Wan was a “crazy old hermit”. Yoda was a crazy old hermit not above slapstick comedy or whacking a pupil with a stick. How else would he think he’s supposed to act when he goes off alone?
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I’d love to see them defy expectations and canonically declare that alien to be male. Lots of people falsely assumed that Jyn Erso’s cellmate in Rogue One was male due to her squid face and tough build. Assuming than an alien is female based on a few bulges and a high-pitch voice could be just as wrong.
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He did a “c’mon, you know—you’ve always known—say it” so to me that suggested she had the means of using her Force affinity to confirm the truth of her ancestry on her own, not unlike Vader’s “search your feelings, you know it to be true” line with Luke.
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Call back to the original movie or not, he’s a completely unreliable narrator.
If he saw Rey’s parents, then why not share that vision with her, to bring his point home?
His whole ‘you’re nothing’ speech just sounded like every abusive, gaslighting asshole ever, trying to exert dominance and psychological control over their victims… so I don’t put any stock in anything Kylo Ren had to say.
And there other cues; such as Luke telling her that “nobody comes from nowhere.”
(Yeah, the impact of that one was kind of diminished by the joke that came after it, but still…)
Long story short; she may not be a Skywalker biologically, but Rey isn’t ‘nobody,’ either.
The force called to her, resonates within her.
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Is he? I mean, has Ren ever actually lied other than telling Hux that Rey assassinated Snoke? His story about Luke trying to kill him was true (from his point of view). And if he did lie it seems like Rey would have sensed it through their Force-link. Even Maz advised Rey “Whoever you’ re waiting for on Jakku, they’re never coming back.”
I rather like the idea that a hero like Rey could come from humble origins. The “you’re special because you inherited magical noble blood from heroic ancestors you never knew” trope has been done to death in every fantasy franchise from Star Wars to Harry Potter to Percy Jackson and the Olympians.
Either way I guess the next movie should settle the issue definitively one way or another.
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Yep. Ren has been lying ever since the audience first meets him - mostly to himself.
That doesn’t mean that Ren was right, though.
So do I… but again, there’s nothing special about the Skywalker bloodline itself - Anakin and his mother were slaves. That Padme was a queen is rather irrelevant, since she was elected and not born to the title.
Don’t bet on it; odds are they are gonna draw that ‘mystery’ out as long as possible.
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Am I weird for wanting her parents to be the rebel soldiers that helped Luke in the comics? The one where they get one of the force tree saplings? I just think it would be more interesting since it would leave the door open to expanding on what the Force is without the midichrolian nonsense (basically make it closer to an animus belief kind of thing).
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Well, that’s where things get a little weird. Officially, the prequels are still canon, so that means that Anakin was immaculately conceived by some kind of Force sorcery that Darth Sidious conjured up to make him some kind of midichlorian Force nexus, which is why Luke and Leia are so powerful with it as well. I’ve got a feeling that this goofiness hasn’t been ret-conned simply out of respect for George Lucas, because it’s pretty clear that nobody involved in Star Wars these days wants anything to do with midichlorians.
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Nope, not at all… though this is where my nerdom ebbs; I’ve never read any of the multitude of books and comics. I like the franchise, but I’m not a ‘true blue’ fan.
Odd, I thought ‘things got weird’ when there was originally a romantic subplot with L & L, and then after the audience reaction to to the first film, Lucas decided Han & Leia made a better match and that Luke should be her twin brother.
O_O
Granted, that did resolve the narrative problem of “how do we let Solo get the girl without making Luke look like a loser?”
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Yep, because its so very important that every hero’s journey story also has a heteronormative romantic subplot.
*sighs
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On the subject of heteronormative romantic subplots, I hope this never gets disproven:
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Star Wars gets full points for groundbreaking visuals but at its core it was always a by-the-numbers Knight’s Quest fantasy epic… in space!
Though come to think of it Arthur lost the girl to Lancelot too…
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Nothing new under the sun.
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*suns
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Some of my friends were debating whether we’ll see Ben Solo end up with Rey, and I’m thinking cripes, we’re dealing with an interstellar war and a battle of good and evil and people having deep revelations about their own background and place in the universe, can we maybe deal with that stuff rather than focus on who’s gonna bang who and when? But I know that’s some people’s favorite part of any kind of action/fantasy thing, even if it isn’t mine.
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Ah, accidental incest is common in hero’s journeys. Going at least all the way back to Wagner’s Ring Cycle. Probably long before even that. It’d kind of be weird not to have it, really.
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Nice but I meant in the reality I live in, not the one Lucas created.
That’s the interesting thing about all these epic fantasies and fandoms; at the their heart, most are nothing more than glossy, idealized projections and reinterpretations of the existence we already inhabit.
The casino scene, for instance; I was stuck by how many of the guests were still symmetrical bipedal humanoids, no matter what extraterrestrial species they were supposed to have been.
Farther, even:
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Oooooook?
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