Woah a whole generation has aged into a world in which social media is real.
Why wouldn’t you get fired for making a racist tweet - AS A PR DIRECTOR! LOL.
til internet. srs bsns.
Ssh… the trick is to not act human. This is the internet.
Basically what @marilove said. You seem to primarily concerned with her feelings and not the people affected by racism. I do not understand that. Why is she so much more important than everyone else? Can you even imagine how your “Be nice to racists!” comments come across to people affected every day by racism?
In general, I do not understand why we are supposed to sit quietly whenever we see racism (or sexism or homophobia or whatever).
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Complains about condescension and making presumptions about her ability to empathize.
Condescends and makes presumptions.
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That woman is not racism. She’s not privilege.
Yes she may have aspects of those vices in her character. Every person on this thread raised in europe or the US has aspects of the vice of privilege in them. Hell, maybe privilege isn’t entirely a vice. Literacy, vaccinations, access to librariers. These privileges make us better in many ways. But, we are still very ignorant of others and their way of life. And we can be offensive because we don’t know. Because books only teach so much.
She said something offensive. By your own accusations you claim her tweets drip with privilege. Privilege that has made her ignorant of racism and other things. How they can hurt.
You want to hold her up to the world as an example of that. But she’s not an example any more than you or I are. We’re the product of our experiences. She’s had a more privileged road. Should I condemn her for her inexperience? Shame her for not being wiser? Judge her for being less compassionate and empathetic to the plight of others?
Maybe. As someone said earlier. Maybe that is what will make her a better person. Maybe this will be the experience that rips the blinders her privileged life has left her with off. Maybe, this will be the greater good.
I still say it’s wrong. She’s not racism. She’s not privilege. She’s just another ignorant human being, just like me. And I never liked kids learning that failure was unacceptable. That when you make a mistake you get what you deserve. I liked the teachers that said, failure was important. It was an opportunity to learn from experience. To grow. Not in shame. But in wonder of a world that just got a little bit bigger.
This woman is in Africa right now. Should she be immediately fired? Sent back to the states in shame? Or should she have her eyes opened to the new part of the world she’s in.
I don’t know what is more likely to teach her about how she offended so many. Shaming for being wrong, or an education by first hand experience. But, I do know this. I want no part of a society that will simply wash their hands of someone else just because they fucked up.
I fuck up. And, I don’t want to be abandoned by the world when I do.
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You are totally right.
You are completely supposed to react.
Its some phenomenon of seemingly arbitrary convergence on the internet.
She’s just the one that ended up in front of you, and you react.
And your reactions are public.
And a meme is born.
That woman is not racism. She’s not privilege.
I should clarify: I don’t know her personally, so maybe she’s not racist, but … that tweet was REALLY racist, so she certainly holds racist thoughts and then puts them out their publicly. So, yeah, I think I can safely assume she’s probably racist.
And holy fuck, once again, her ACTUAL racist joke? She was clearly trying to be tongue-in-cheek about her status as a white person (which is privilege!), but she did it in a very racist way. I mean come ON. Her joke alluded to her own privilege as a white woman!
At this point I’m done, because you can’t even seem to grasp the very basics of the joke we are talking about.
I wonder if you even think that joke WAS racist. Do you? Because it very much was.
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Um, I am not making presumptions. He has clearly stated that he does not think she is privileged. And I quote him directly:
She’s not privilege.
Except, you know, privileged.
I was not being condescending nor was I making presumptions because I was responding directly to his statements which were very clear.
The joke itself alluded to her privilege (in a racist way), and yet he’s blatantly denying it. It’s really weird. And the more he talks, the more I’m inclined to believe he may be driving trollies us.
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Yeah, racism is, in fact, serious business.
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I think there’s been some miscommunication. when I said:
I was referring to the labels themselves. She is not racism the sum total of the label. She is not privilege the sum total of privilege.
And if being white is a privilege, than being a first worlder is privilege on a scale several factors of ten larger. In that, most if not all of this thread share a vice.
So no. I did not say she was not privileged. Quite the opposite. We are all privileged. We all suffer the blinders that our experience of built up, or failed to tear down.
Hopefully that provides some clarity, and the rest of the post begins to make some sort of sense.
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She was either really rushed and tired getting ready for a long trip. Or just an insensitive douche.
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Stereotypical “Ugly American” says stereotypical things.
How the fuck does dogpiling on a public tweet contradict advocating privacy?!
Yes, it’s sort of arbitrary that she got called out when so many more despicable tweets fly under the radar. But no, if you don’t publically spout racism, you won’t randomly turn into tomorrow’s viral memestorm just because someone posted a picture of you picking your nose or something.
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I don’t need to consider the ramifications of what I tweet because I don’t make AIDS jokes.
I don’t post anything online that I wouldn’t say out loud in public (well, maybe not in front of my mom, but you get the idea.) Sure, if I had some whistleblower-type information and feared for my safety I’d release it anonymously, but that hasn’t really come up, and in any case “lol africans have aids” doesn’t exactly qualify as whistleblowing.
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You must be new on the Internet.
In fact you can bet that half of those people dogpiling are amazingly racist themselves, just managed to get away with it for now. I mean, seriously, @LOLJustineSacco is pretty much “it’s okay for me to make racist jokes because I put it in the mouth of others and it’s satire, LOL”.
And sharing pictures is crossing the line at escape velocity. This is not shaming racism, this is a bonding ritual and self-reinforcement, “I’m not racist because I was nasty to that horrible racist chick”, and early Sunday entertainment.
So everyone’s picking on poor Justine as a scapegoat to deflect their own racism? That’s a bizarre, evidence-free interpretation. One you could handily (if ineffecively) use against any criticism. “I know you are, but what am I?”
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I think @openfly and others have had plenty of say on how the feel. Time for me to take a break from deleting some of the more off topic and personal comments. So please breath and
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I think that tells us enough about you to know where you’re coming from - i.e. a very dark place of casual racism and bigotry. I can see why BB editors might not give a flying firebird about what you have to say. Have a merry christmas!
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Lets find him and ruin his life. Its what casual racists deserve.
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