I would have no problem with the discussion of oligodynamic touch surfaces being moved to another thread, but I think all positions have been staked out, and there’s nothing more to be said.
And I need to take Mom to the hospital, so I’ll bid y’all adieu. Please return to your regularly scheduled programming.
As long is this is a new thread specifically about the supposed benefits of copper, this would be a good time to mention that copper is so valuable that people break into homes and strip out the plumbing pipes to get it.
How exactly are we going to make every metal surface in every hospital into one of the more expensive metals?
Are they in other contexts, like the office I used to work at? Those handles were like 20 years old and installed for aesthetics. But given the handles were cleaned maybe once a week, because of underpaid and over burdened custodial staff, would they have been helping?
During COVID several employees started cleaning them ourselves once a day when we were in. The office manager staged paper towels and Microban by the doors. These doors had to stay secured or the fuzz downstairs would be alerted.
In nonclinical environments it could help. 94% passive reduction is better than 0% active reduction. But I would probably use alcohol-based cleaners. As mentioned above, bleach does not play well with copper. Neither does hydrogen peroxide.
We’ve been cleaning stuff for decades, the only time we use bleach in the business if for mold or certain stains on carpet or upholstery.
For disinfecting it’s quat and it’s spray or wipe and let dry on high touch surfaces and bathrooms.
I love the smell of bleach but strong bleach smells doesn’t always mean clean. I thought hospitals were using quat for most of the disinfecting.
And speaking of copper do we remember the 70s copper bracelet fad for combating arthritis. I Remember my dad and pretty much any middle aged man wearing copper bracelets, the bigger the better.
I’m pretty sure that fad was still going strong in certain circles (golfers especially, for some reason) in the 2000s. While the anti-arthritic properties of copper are complete bullshit, it is very well documented to have anti-microbial properties. Silver, too, as @KathyPartdeux pointed out above. Back when I was an engineer working for an HVAC manufacturer, our standard condensation pans for cooling/dehumidifying coils were made of galvanized steel. However, we offered all copper pans as an upgrade for certain applications, like clean rooms. That being said, I don’t understand the arguments for using it for general surfaces in hospitals. It seems like it would be expensive to install, and expensive to maintain. But who knows. I am no expert in the area. It seems like Duke is, though, so I will defer to him.