The culture of my high school/ college years is better than yours.
Exactly correct. As cheesy as it was, at least they were having fun. I’ll take that over perpetually bored, alway distracted, overly critical, judgmental times we live in now.
Now, that’s a fun(ny) one to be nostalgic about…
I used to get flybacks. I still have no idea what the hell they are…
(If I’m even remembering the correct term.)
Jim Jarmusch 
Don’t forget
MST3K - 1988
Repo Man - 1984
I dunno man, it’s a MONTAGE of 80s pop culture. Which in itself, is a pretty funny idea.
I’m guessing your post was satire though.
I guess you can make that argument, but you could also argue that it came from how the people writing into and shaping the magazine are part of that process, too. I’d argue that the drive to codify what is or isn’t punk (which is a debate you can see being made in MRR) happened primarily because of the outside attention punk started getting from the mainstream media beginning as early as the Sex Pistols tour in 78. Once the media started paying attention, there was very much a drive to control the definition of what was and wasn’t properly punk, among people who are part of the punk scenes. MRR was a radio show well before they started the zine, which was well after all of that happened (84, 85? If I’m remembering when they began publishing as a zine). On that MRR was kind of behind the curve a bit.
And let’s not forget, as hardcore started to emerge as the standard bearer, lots of people (especially those who weren’t white and male) very much got pushed out of the scene and then out of story (focusing on the Orange co punk bands vs. the earlier bands out of Hollywood for example). Hence the rise of subgenres of punk like riot grrl, queer core, and more recently genres like afro-punk (reclaiming the Black history in punk), Taqacore, and the like…
I’ve always seen it as an ongoing conversation about the genre and the community itself, what it should look like, and who belongs there - the same sorts of conversations any self-defined group tends to have, especially ones that feel like they are under siege (which was the case in many punk scenes in the early 80s around the world).
I don’t know about that… I think it’s more a case of people trying to delineate between “authentic and inauthentic”… and how the industry tries to divide up music, and how people push back by renaming things and claiming ownership over them.
Yeah, there is a good stuff in there… some bad, too, but sometimes the bad was very good…
I have my beefs with MRR, but then I stopped considering myself part of that scene long long ago, so who am I to say who belongs or doesn’t. Maybe back then I thought I was being excluded for not being true to “the scene”, but the reality is I was just outgrowing it.
Sure. I’m not saying that how they (and their readers) defined punk was right or wrong here, just that it was one location where that defining was happening.
I would argue that being from NYC was at least as relevant as race to exposure to 70s hip hop, but certainly if you were a black, under-thirty new-yorker in the 70s hip hop was probably your default setting.
but you aren’t wrong that white people writ-large discovered hip hop in the eighties as it exploded out of NYC to a majority white america.
I think that Dj Kool Herc started his parties in 69, when he and his sister were teens…
my source says 73
I would agree there, too. I do think that’s a missed discussion, especially for historians, telling the story of what’s happening between the growing hip hop scene and down at CBGBs during the 70s - there are plenty of connections to be seen, Blondie hanging out with Fab Five Freddy, Basquiat at the Mudd Club, etc. Probably the white people who got familiar with 70s hip hop either lived in the neighborhoods where it was happening, or were check out music scenes around the city.
But also, you’re talking barely a decade past the official end of segregation, so there are still plenty of whites even in NYC who would have seen that as “Black” music and not bothered to investigate what’s happening there.
Hm… maybe I’m confusing when he moved to NYC with when he did his first parties? 
Another awful thing that came crawling out of the 1980’s… me. Born in 1980 and it has been down hill ever since.
totally. I didn’t word it very well, but what I meant was more like: it’s not like hip hop was well-known to black people from coast-to-coast and then in the 80s white people finally caught on. they caught on when everyone outside of new york caught on.
for Herc, wiki confirms my source that it was sister’s birthday party in 73 for first gig. also confirmed he was 12yo when he moved to the Bronx from Kingston. source didn’t say but wiki says that was in 67.
my source being Poschardt’s DJ Culture, which I’ve recommended to you before. had I grabbed Chang’s Can’t Stop, Won’t Stop instead, I’m confident I could have found it there, too.
I’m fairly certain you’re not to blame, tho.
I got what you intended, i think!
You have… I should put that on my wish list and get a copy soon!
Not sure what date I’m confusing then…
I have not been convicted of ruining everything so far, the evidence has yet to be compiled 
Depends how properly coked up one is while watching this recap of 80’s pop culture that will determine how much it truly sucked or rocked.
I would also like to gleefully point out something I’d forgotten until I just re-read it:
Kool Herc was his TAG before it was his DJ NAME.
graffiti was the FIRST hip hop element.
I just like to point that out when I can.
Tim Yo goes back to the hippie days, but still I lol’d
