To understand trumpism, study the self-professed "betas" of 4chan

The problem is “common-sense” people like Farage, Trump, May and so on. They managed to develop a language that talks to the streets, while leftist language has gone in the opposite direction.

The left has always has a language for this situation, “Lets put our rich in check.” The language the left is allowed to use is a different question.

The only reason bigotry is getting mainstreamed by the big media is to make social justice seem like a problem to some while distracting the rest away from checking the rich. Social justice doesn’t happen unless the left maintains a check on the greedy, thieving rich.

The weird bullshit of bigotry is exposed if it becomes okay to talk about the growing need to check the rich. The appeal “on the street” of bigotry relies on maintaining the taboo.

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That sounds like a challenge. Lets hope you are still correct in ten years time.

People have been killed by guitars before, I just can’t prove that they were fascists.

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I think that means they’re still Brits. (For now.)

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Billy Connolly was not in favour of independence, so would see himself as British.

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Trumpism in a nutshell: n’yeah, n’yeah, I won.

Meh. Schoolyard shenanigans.

Knock the fuckers down.

This is America’s schoolyard; I summon the Dewey-shield. shield

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“young one, how did you get there? where do you want to be? it ain’t here, friend. look over here, or there, it’s everywhere. where do you want to be? let’s go there together.” thank you.

“we make this education and experience together, in the world, now.”

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Ok, thanks! Though these days I think Ferguson would identify as American since he went through the citizenship process years ago. I’d love to hear what he thinks about all this political mess we’re in. (yes, I’m trying to steer my tangent back on topic now :slight_smile:)

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Indeed - I identify as British, and honestly think we’d be the lesser apart.

Though honestly, I can neither misunderstand the Scottish (and Welsh and Northern Irish) being proud of their own identity nor begrudge them for wanting to be apart from, well, the UK parliament, mostly.

(I’m of Northern English stock myself, still identity as a northerner, and, well, I get both aspects.)

[Edit: first para is coherent now.]

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And yes - I’m pretty sure that that insult works in each of our constituent parts. And thank you for the kind words about our countr(ies). :slight_smile:

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What insult? Did I goof?

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It’s the reaction of someone who has been cut so many times, that cutting off their nose to spite their face would barely register.

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Oh no, no, no, absolutely not.

The ‘has no sense of humour’ jibe that I was taking about. :slight_smile:

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I’ll consider the possibility of something like this, if a real world example can be found.

I do think it’s demonstrable that Woody Guthrie’s guitar never killed a fascist.

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There are other examples, but it’s not a subject I want to research, for the sake of my mental health.

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Those Spinal Tap drummers really couldn’t catch a break.

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But the other problem is that people who actually know what it’s like to be in trouble are mostly going to accept a rope thrown down even if it is from someone laughing at them. What’s the alternative? Stay at the bottom of the pit by yourself? Did slaves refuse meals fed to them by their masters? It’s a ridiculous notion.

Entitled people who think they are divinely ordained to be on top and who don’t know what it’s like to really be oppressed will put their petty feelings ahead of actual improvements. Let’s not generalize that to the majority of the population.

Yes, we ought to stop trying to educate people who don’t want to be educated. Fortunately, there are tons of people who do want to be educated, and they are growing to voting age while people who don’t want to be educated are dying. Generational churn is a better way to progress than changing entrenched minds. I wish everyone could understand one another, but we are impermanent, and that’s not what life has to offer us.

Yeah, there’s no one answer or silver bullet. Which is why the one thing I detest the most is people bickering at each other over who is doing it wrong. The right approach varies by person and by situation. That’s blaringly obvious. Even if we knew that one strategy was 80% effective and another 20%, that doesn’t mean we should all adopt the one and none of us adopt the other. If our immune systems killed 98% of deadly bacteria 100% of the time and 2% of them 0% of the time we’d all be dead.

This I’ll believe. A hard-bodied electric guitar would be far more suitable. An accoustic that had killed a fascist probably wouldn’t be in one piece, though I can’t rule out (from evidence I have available) that one of the strings on it has at some point been used as a garrote.

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No idea about his politics. Going to imagine “not a fascist”, though.

I think he didn’t mean it LITERALLY killed fascists, but that his music helped people to understand the plight of working class people, and helped make the listener less willing to be a fascist.

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