Tomorrow's Catalan elections are a referendum on independence

Didn’t they say that they would unilaterally declare independence if they got an absolute majority?

Well, its… complicated.

They did not won a majority of seats in parliament, but they could have a working majority with a pact with the CUP, which is a more left-wing, anti-austerity, independentist party

They did not win a majority of votes, not even with that pact. 48% to 52%

So, as a plesbicite on the issue, it would be a No win. As an autonomic election, it would be a Yes win. What is going to be? What do you expect, is politics, everybody is saying they won.

Well, except the Catalonian branch of Podemos, who got a beating.

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Ah, and so far, the CUP has said is up for it… as long as Mas is not president :stuck_out_tongue:

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Mister Rogers. History’s Finest Human.

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The Nazis weren’t actually socialist, though, despite the name. They were in favor of private ownership, for one thing. They just called themselves that because it was the style for revolutionaries at the time.

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Several questions come to mind. Which political parties in 1930s Germany were sufficiently non socialist? Did they enjoy significant electoral support? Did they support Hitler’s chancellorship?

And, of course

Have you heard of Francisco Franco? Was he relevant to Catalan secessionist movements?

IF they manage to break free and gain independence they can return to vision of the original settlers and divide up the land into hexagonal plots and trade wool/wood/brick/wheat.

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Latest news is that the CUP admits that the vote, if interpreted as a plebiscite, was a No, so they are not going to ask for the unilateral declaration of independence.

While the JuntsPelSi people are still not sure what they plan to do although they say that they feel “legitimization” for their goals.

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Independentist parties got a majority of seats in the local chamber, but unionist parties got more popular votes. Ironically, Catalonia is the only part of Spain that has voted to stay in the country!

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They were Third Position, neither socialist or capitalist but economically centrist

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"The term “National Socialism” a rose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of “socialism”, as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism. The Nazis sought to achieve this by a “people’s community” (Volksgemeinschaft) with the aim of uniting all Germans as national comrades, whilst excluding those deemed either to be community aliens or “foreign peoples” (Fremdvölkische). "

Extreme nationalism mixed with hard left and hard right idealogy seems like a very slippery slope. Having lived in Barcelona for 2 years,I know there is a very ugly undercurrent of xenophobia behind all of this.

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