I hate May so much it gives me energy.
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Not if her party has anything to say about it. Remember that āgetting out of Europeā is nearly as high on the list as abolishing human rights.
āGetting out of Englandā is my plan, if the fuckers get another term.
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The problem is that anywhere better has a shittier climate than we do!
Shakes fist at Scandinavians
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Shit, Iād just take a run for the border, if Scotland got independence. Then burn my passport & send May the ashes. Itās only an hour away.
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Although not to worry, they wonāt win another election. The UKIP are trending well though! shudders
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Iām at the other end - Iād have to swim to France or something.
I have thought that about the Tories many times. Many, many timesā¦
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Clearly the entire point of this move is to allow May and the like to punish people they do not like without a trail or judicial oversight.
If a person acts in a treasonous manner, there are laws and procedures in place to deal with them. The only reason to have a law, such as the one May is proposing, would be to punish people who didnāt do anything a court would consider wrong.
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Has the concept of āBring the accused to trialā just gone out the window everywhere now? Just what world am I living in, anyway?
I, for one, am a lot more scared of the Baby Boomers than I am of Al Qaeda.
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Well actually a passport may be a privilege in the UK - you can be a citizen without a passport.
Thereās already a legal penalty for treason. Why do we need to revoke citizenship? And why are recent immigrant traitors to be treated differently than native-born traitors?
It sounds like a good idea. Act against your country? Well, bon yoyage! Traitors are pretty contemptible, and not many people are going to stand up for them as a class.
But if citizenship is a privilege, not a right, then every other right that putatively comes with citizenship is now just another privilege. This idea would consign the Magna Carta to the dustbin.
Now it occurs to me Robert Bolt said it much better:
Roper: So now youād give the Devil benefit of the law!
More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
Roper: Iād cut down every law in England to do that!
More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you - where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This countryās planted thick with laws from coast to coast - Manās laws, not Godās - and if you cut them down - and youāre just the man to do it - dāyou really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?
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That is true, but if you leave the country on that passport, the right to return home is a basic human right by international treaty. If your only citizenship is UK, you have an absolute right to return there - after that, they can take your passport away; May is trying to administratively remove peoplesā citizenship. With no trial or path to argue the point, I would add.
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This distinction is an important one, which seems to have been neglected. But stripping citizenship is a tactic sheās not averse to.
Furthermore, her statement that āa passport is a privilege, not a rightā sets a very nasty precedent. It implies you have no right to leave the country, or to get back in, even if youāre a citizen who hasnāt been found guilty of anything anywhere.
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This is, after all, a Just World.
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Is it? I thought it was just a world. Well, thatās alright then. Bombs away!
Fucking Cameronās a gen-Xer like me. We went to the same free parties & that in the 90s, so the rumours goā¦
The UKās immigration policy is arse-backwards. I heard this evening that a 19 25 year old asylum seeker from Darfur who was a member of a sexual assault ring, as one of five defendants, who were convicted for crimes against a 13 year old girl in the UK and jailed while awaiting deportation, with the recommendation from the judge that he be deported at the end of his sentenceā¦ cannot be deported, and will instead be paid compensation for his detention. I wonder if the government deliberately screws up what should be fairly clear-cut deportation cases in order to enrage public opinion.
I donāt understand how revoking someoneās passport revokes their citizenship? Iām American, and the UK system might be different, but cancelling a US passport will only make it hard to cross the border. Here, citizenship is something youāre born with. A person who has never traveled abroad has no passport, but has full citizenship. I havenāt had a valid passport in years.
Likewise, @nunavutwolf, the no-fly list has no effect on citizenship. The TSA can make it hard to fly, but they canāt decide who is and is not American. I donāt even think we have a way of revoking citizenship, although felons lose many of a citizenās rights. But it takes a trial to make a felon.
Was it the Gen-Xers that voted him in, do you think?
