VPN company shuts down after Lavabit case demonstrates threat of state-ordered, secret self-sabotage


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I don't know whether to cheer for this company's ethical choice, or to weep for my country's descent to a totalitarian state.


#3

Came to say this. The next step is for those technologies that are truly secure to be outlawed. I vaguely recall an attempt, long ago, to outlaw large-prime keys.


#5

It's time to kill NSLs along with the secrecy and conscription that goes with it.

The economic losses because of this spying on Americans and the world will be astronomical. I can image a world where tech doesn't happen in America.


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You could say that they were spooked.


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I can imagine a world that's followed America down the gurgler.


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As we know, capitalism wins. No US email/messaging system can be trusted. Which means the next one which breaks through will make a big feature of freedom, and therefore emphasising why the American government can't touch it. The US government is profoundly anti-capitalist and totally pro-feudalism. Only those born to wealth count.


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On the contrary, they're very very pro-capitalist. De-facto feudalism's just the natural consequence of capitalism allowed to run rampant (see: the last time america really tried that, late 1800s-early-1900s).


#10

Welcome to laissez-faire lockdown.


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Don't be so sure. We are an innovative species. Innovation will happen in the US or it will happen elsewhere, but it will continue. A few bumps maybe, but the NSA is doing everything in its power to ensure the US dominance in innovation and technology is going to vanish quickly.


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When secure systems are outlawed, only outlaws will be secure.


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As far as I can see, pretty much every developed nation is emulating the craptacularly short-sighted fat cat cronyism the US has so blatantly embraced; just look at the IP scenario worldwide...

Citizenship is a dying notion everywhere.


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Simply close the business in the US and open up a new business in another country where they don't have this laws.
That must be the easiest solution to the problem.


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I wonder if this is Cryptoseal's way of saying they've been directed to compromise their encryption system without actually violating the "do not speak of this" order.


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Isn't it ridiculous that such a thing even exists? How the hell can this be constitutional? I certainly do not think Adams, Jefferson, and their pals would A-OK with this, and I know for a fact that I'm not. And I am SO SO much better looking than both of those guys.


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