On the other hand, I can’t believe that anyone who is familiar with the BB bbs will dare to support people that BB has declared assholes.
Some viewpoints are not discussed on BB, they are just shouted down. This may be a good thing, as it allows us to limit discussion to sensible viewpoints, but we shouldn’t be surprised when some positions are only ever defended by newbies.
Is the good Mr Kurcaba opposed to the death penalty, then?
No, that’s not my claim. My claim is that they’re “allowed” to do so, that it’s legal. Am I correct?
No, I didn’t state that. Here are my comments on that matter:
“I’m not in favor of the ‘no abortions, not even in the case of rape’ position, but I do believe that it would be troublesome to just allow women to simply check a ‘rape’ checkbox in order to justify a late-term abortion. There has to be a middle ground.”
I think that most people will (and do) tell the truth about having been raped, whether or not a pregnancy is involved. Some will lie, and Norma McCorvey is a very relevant (though single) example. So, half your assertion is correct: that I believe people cannot be trusted to not lie. Regarding the other half: I believe that most people will probably be honest.
I should add that I do think that the state fails to back up its viability argument when it enforces the position that pregnancies cannot be terminated once viable. If they insist that the baby can’t be terminated because it is viable, and can survive outside the womb, they should offer to deliver the baby early, and take care of all its needs outside of the womb (after all, it is viable by their own standard). Instead, they demand not only that a woman can’t terminate, but that she herself must also carry the baby to term.
I appreciate the more in-depth responses to my other points.
You miss the larger point, though, in that whether someone is prone to lying is utterly irrelevant because a woman’s reasons for an abortion are none of your damn business.
the overwhelming majority of the small number of late-term abortions happen because of either extreme fetal abnormalities discovered near the end of pregnancy or because the life of the mother would be endangered by carrying the pregnancy further. of the remaining late-term abortions i have to wonder how many would have been carried out earlier in the pregnancy if the geographic, monetary, and time barriers to abortion had not been erected by so many state legislatures to prevent a legal procedure that a woman has a legal right to.
instead of your hypothetical “abortion over delivery” choice of a woman in labor; a case, by the way, i’ve never heard pointed to by the anti-woman, anti-choice advocates who surround me, i’d like to know if you personally oppose a woman getting a late-term abortion in the circumstances that actually lead to late-term abortions which i listed in my first paragraph. you could clear up a lot of potential confusion about your stance by telling us that.
Per the Guttermacher Institute, not in most states:
I’d just like to comment. My oldest sister was a child born of rape. She’s a republican, mixed race, and a mother.
So? That doesn’t give any special authority to you to speak for her.
Besides, no one is arguing against a woman’s ability to choose to carry a pregnancy to term.
Indeed. That’s the only key argument.
I bet he really thinks of rape to be god’s will.
Colorado?
Thanks for posting that BTW.
*edit - Colorado details, from same site: http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_OAL.pdf . And I am not nitpicking here; that’s my state!
I don’t miss that point at all. I agree completely that a woman’s reasons for an abortion are none of my damn business. Also not the government’s damn business.
Keep in mind that “abortion” refers to terminating a pregnancy before viability. It’s a critical distinction. If we have a shared agreement on the use of that term, we might find that our views are more in alignment than they would first appear.
It sounds like we’re mostly in agreement regarding extreme fetal abnormalities of endangering the life of the mother. I remember considering these scenarios (most of them extremely rare, BTW) with my wife during her pregnancy. Our rough consensus (as non-doctors, and rookie parents-to-be) was something along the lines of: we won’t significantly endanger my wife’s life, and if the child was going to have a short, painful life with a profound terminal disability, we would consider terminating. I don’t know if more children, life experience, or education would or will alter my viewpoint; it’s a difficult decision to make.
The hypothetical situation I proposed is not exactly common. But I do think it happens more than 0 times, probably not in reputable hospitals, and, as I understand it, it’s legal, and I don’t think it should be legal. I’m not talking about the overwhelming majority. I’m bringing up a debate point that I think is valid for discussion here.
I didn’t post it as a strict hypothetical - I do think it has occurred, probably not in a reputable hospital. Do you? I’m certainly not posing that example as indicative of the state of abortion today.
No idea where to gather data of these occurrences, or if it’s even legal for hospitals to post them.
I appreciate you firmly stating your opinion. Can you flesh it out for me a bit with an edge case? For example: woman is in labor (could be early labor), comes into medical facility, requests termination. Doctor says something like: “We can deliver this healthy baby right now, and take care of its needs and its adoption.”. Woman says: “No, it’s my body, my choice, and it’s legal, so please terminate”. Ethical to terminate? Is this something that happens every day? No. It’s a far edge case, so I can better understand your view on this matter.
Tolerance of people with minority viewpoints is often what makes a forum worthwhile.
Echo chambers are boring; I never read Drudge or Huffington Post. I already know what they have to say.
You people are all fools. What is beautiful about 9-11 is the new memorial that was recently completed. And how can we have the Holocaust Museum without the loss of six million people?
Think bigger. See the beauty in the world that can only be caused be immense personal destruction.
A second to cause, a lifetime of beauty.
Sounds like it will be a great place to live roleplay Minecraft.
