What it's like inside the CIA during Donald Trump's "Deep State" purge

Even stranger is the assumption that all Intelligence Agencies are working together and sharing information, like that the FBI would know if they were spying on someone who was allegedly a CIA informant.

It would probably depend on the nature of the investigation or the sensitivity of the source. If it were a counterintelligence investigation, e.g., part of the case would be name checks against other agencies specifically because they would need to know if he was actually working as a source or some other asset for another agency. That’s exactly how the FBI found out Carter Page had previously been debriefed by CIA.

That’s just authoritarianism. It’s how we got beefsteak Nazis and their modern counterpart, the NazBols, all they were looking for was a strong leader and someone to beat up and they didn’t really care about ideology that much.

Still, we can have fun breaking Republicans brains with their lack of political awareness.

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Since arriving, Grenell has isolated himself from German politics, leaders and people, advocating regime change in Germany (and violating the Vienna Convention on diplomatic relationships in the process) and devoting his energies to getting face-time on Fox News (the only way to get out-of-sight, out-of-mind Trump to pay attention to you) rather than seeking to influence German politics to coincide with US interests.

The only German political bloc that Grenell has time for (and vice-versa) are the neo-Nazi AfD (he’s fond of posing for selfies with AfD leadership) and the xenophobic Christian Social Union.

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Pretty much this. The CIA never had the slightest conception of rule of law to be damaged. Unlike the FBI, they never even bothered trying to pretend they cared about rule of law. Good tucking riddance.

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I’ve also got a problem with another part of the article:

Would the president compromise a CIA Russian agent to Putin or a Saudi to Mohammed bin Salman were it to offer a political win in doing so? I’d like to think that not even Trump would consciously do as much

Really? I think he’d do it in a heartbeat, and the only reason he hasn’t is that no one has asked (yet), and he wouldn’t remember anyone’s name so he’d probably make it up instead.
It’s the same when people say that Bloomberg is the same as Trump, of course he’s not (disclaimer, I think he’d make a crap president). For starters, he’s an actual billionaire (trump probably has less than a million all in). Secondly, no matter what kind of arsehole he is, he’s not a pathological liar who’s going senile. Can you imagine any other politician, from any side of the political spectrum, starting their term in office saying “I had the biggest inauguration crowd ever”, and then doubling down when they were shown to be wrong.
Bloomberg would make a crap president, you’ve had a few of those already, but he’s nowhere near as bad as trump. Trump shouldn’t be in charge of anything, I’m not even sure if he could be trusted to look after himself without outside help.

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In a compromise, CIA used the Arabic for Syria, “al-Shams,” to provide the president his preferred “ISIS” acronym.

So that’s why the usage “ISIS” took over the airwaves. It’s always bugged me. She was a good goddess, doesn’t deserve to have her name dragged through the mud this way.

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The Routledge Dictionary of Cultural References in Modern French says it’s Charles Maurice de Talleyrand Périgord.

Young Frankenstein__Igor__Well they were wrong

Well, maybe not wrong, but who can tell for sure?

“Merde dans un bas de soie.”
Napoleon on Talleyrand, according to Mould, p 59, 2011 edition. A very nice book to browse in every now and then.

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Mould’s Medical Anecdotes?

The Routledge Dictionary of Cultural References in Modern French
By Michael Mould

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Yes. Steele is MI6 (once an agent always an agent due to the ‘control’ (handler in US terms) using blackmail on nearly all agents. You never get out.)

Ever since Five Eyes started there’s tight snitching by each member’s services on each other members services to bypass that being illegal within any one member nation unto itself.

So we know for sure that the intelligence agencies were aware of this dossier.

It came from the security services. It was leaked to the press. That’s treason. It’s also conspiracy.

There were other voices leaking to the press from the US security services before Trump became President talking (perhaps accurately) about Trump being a security threat. That’s not okay in my opinion. Spooks number one activity? Selling weapons. Number two? Tipping elections. It’s not okay for spooks to interfere in the democratic process in foreign countries, it’s doubly no okay domestically.

Spooks tend to have very right wing opinions. They’re not democratic socialists. It’s completely not okay for a secretive group of intelligence agents to repeatedly cheat society to the right or left.

Look, to be clear here : I loathe Trump. He’s an odious crook that’s snuffing the beacon on the hill.

My point here is this : What do Trump supporters believe? That’s what needs to be counter acted. Simply saying it’s fine when there is cursory evidence that a spook conspiracy took place is foolish. Trump supporters do not believe it’s cursory either. They treat it like fact. So let’s support an investigation to shine a light on what’s true and what’s not. Liberals and democrats and all free thinkers should support an investigation into this, otherwise they’re part of the conspiracy, whether there is one or not.

This same thing happened to Harold Wilson in the UK. It was denounced as treason 20 years later.

Trump lost the popular vote.

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If an investigation were held while Trump is in power, he and his people would interfere with it.

You’ve made an impressive series of un-backed up claims here, with a thick frosting of ‘everyone knows it’s true.’ I guess that makes me part of the conspiracy, eh?

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I started to reply, but that’s the heart of it.

Such investigations have already happened and are still happening. Trump is the most powerful person in the world, has the authority and resources to investigate whatever he wants, and has not hesitated to exercise that authority.

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Inspector General report on the Crossfire Hurricane investigation

Finally, by early January 2017, BuzzFeed had obtained copies of some of the Steele election reports during a meeting with the McCain Institute staff member and published them as part of an article titled "These Reports Allege Trump Has Deep Ties to Russia. "321 Included in this collection was Report 166, another report that previously had not been shared with the FBI.

321 Steele testified in foreign litigation that he did not provide his reports to journalists or media organizations and did not authorize anyone to share them. According to the McCain Institute staff member’s testimony in the same litigation, Steele requested that the staff member meet with BuzzFeed, and that Steele neither requested nor prohibited the staff member from sharing the reports with BuzzFeed.

Actually the FBI didn’t even have all of the Steele dossier reports that made it to media and journalists.

There’s also a bunch of other stuff you said that’s wrong.

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