What we know about the 1,600 migrant kids Trump is relocating to Texas concentration camp

BS. @xeni knows the audience here, one that’s more educated and thus has a more nuanced view of the varieties of what were initially (during the Boer War) called “concentration camps”. Many of them in the years since were also claimed to be “temporary” measures during emergencies, which even when true didn’t make them any less awful.

Don’t assume the people here are as ignorant as those on the right-wing forums you frequent, or that they can’t see through fallacious BS arguments (with you they all seem to boil down to “can’t we give always oppressed white cisgender males the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their horrible actions?” – see also your BS comments in the Kavanaugh topics).

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When the best argument from the right breaks down to
We have to rip all the children from their families because a small percentage aren’t families.
You start to think it’s not about human trafficking and their war on drugs. When you see that the focus is on the southern boarder when the State Dept says most human trafficking comes from the east you start to wonder why the right doesn’t seem to want to focus on the real problem. When you realize it’s really always been about race, suddenly it all makes sense.

Not at all. I was just cutting through the obvious BS and directly addressing the racism.

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You may be inferring that -

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Which means doing some sort of background check. Perhaps a system where the following takes place: identification of sponsors or relatives, the evaluation of the suitability of the sponsor, including verification of the sponsor’s identity and relationship to the child, background checks, and in some cases home studies. It might even be wise to check with the country of origin, to ensure that the parent or guardian has legal custody, and is not a fugitive.

They only separate families under the following circumstances:"1) when DHS is unable to determine the familial relationship, 2) when DHS determines that a child may be at risk with the parent or legal guardian, or 3) when the parent or legal guardian is referred for criminal prosecution. "

Some migrant kids do not have eligible relatives or sponsors in the US. You are probably wondering if you could become a sponsor of a UAC. The answer is yes!, and the contacts and a description of the process can be found at: Unaccompanied Children Frequently Asked Questions | The Administration for Children and Families

Hey, thanks for mansplaining sexual abuse of children, since I’m clearly had never heard of this problem… and of course this HAPPENED IN THESE FUCKING CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!

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  1. you mean when poor people without govt issued paperwork are feeling for their lives we abduct their children due to lack of a piece of paper.
  2. DHS is not in any way qualified to make that determination.
  3. which includes “illegally” crossing at a non-designated crossing point, the locations of which the DHS does not make widely known to potential immigrants and asylum seekers. Basically everyone they meet at the boarder is immediately referred for prosecution.

But the real question is why. When the bulk of human trafficking is from the east, why focus on the poor people from the south? Racism is why.

The only thing CBP, DHS, and anyone else should concern themselves with is if the person wanting to enter presents a threat to our safety. If they do not, they should be let through. Your defending child abduction in the name of child safety is ridiculous on it’s face. One does not place every child they encounter in a concentration camp and expose them to traumatic familial separation in the name of child safety unless child safety isn’t actually your concern but rather your excuse.

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Why does the source country of a trafficking victim determine enforcement priorities? Anyway, the southern border is also a route used to smuggle people from Asia, the middle east, and Africa.
20,000 young women and children are trafficked through the Mexican border annually. They matter just as much as someone trafficked by luring them with a H2-A visa or other means.

Because when cleaning a thing, it’s best to spend more time and effort on the really grungy parts instead of focusing on the slightly dirty. How is this concept not obvious to you? Oh yeah… racism…

Citation needed. The reliable sources I’ve found says the total annual number of people brought across the boarder for human trafficking is between 14,500 and 17,500. Your total for the Mexican boarder is larger than for the total of all boarders. It seems to me you have inflated the numbers for the Mexican boarder but you didn’t inflate them for any other crossing points… Like the ever popular Canada. Why pick on Mexico? Oh yeah, racism.

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From CNN:The U.S. State Department estimates that more than 20,000 people are trafficked into the U.S. each year – mainly destined for the sex trade.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/13/mexico.human.traffic.drug/index.html

And calling people racist if they disagree with you is childish. I am focusing on the US/Mexico border, because that is the subject of the post.

It has nothing to do with disagreement. It has to do with your defense of the indefensible policy of child abduction. When a person publicly supports racist policies, what should we call them?

Which is a far cry from

You chose to state that 20,000 came through the Mexican border but your source doesn’t say that at all. So, why did you choose to place 100% of the human trafficking through our borders on Mexico especially since we know most of them come from the east? Oh, that’s right… racism. You feel the need to paint the problem as being 100% at the southern boarder for some reason. Maybe it’s not racism. So then, what it the reason?

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I posted the initial statement “20,000 young women and children are trafficked through the Mexican border annually” at another computer, and quoted from a different source. Here is that article-
Mexican woman tells of ordeal with cross-border child traffickers | Human trafficking | The Guardian.

Odd you should call it child abduction. according to wikipedia," Mexico is amongst the world’s most popular sources and destinations for international child abduction while also being widely regarded as having one of the least effective systems of protecting and returning internationally abducted children within its borders."

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/over-6000-children-disappeared-in-6-years/

What?

If I oppose the criminality of the drug cartels, who are closely involved with sex trafficking and other crimes on the border, it is not racism. I have no control over the demographics of Sinaloa or Los Zetas. If they start recruiting more Ukranians, I will still oppose their criminal activities.
And yes, the issue is personal to me. I had a close friend who was abducted, raped, murdered, and dumped in a swamp by a person who had come across the Mexican border for just that reason, and who had done it before. My problem with the guy is not his heritage or ethnicity, it is about the fact that he is a serial rapist and murderer.

This does NOT justify putting children in concentration camps.

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You have to realize that the minors are only in custody for as long as it takes to place them with a parent, relative, or sponsor. And camps like Tornillo are used only during unexpected surges in UACs.

The rule for keeping a juvenile in a secure facility is: A juvenile may be held in a secure facility only
if he or she is charged with criminal or delinquent actions, threatens or commits violence, displays unacceptably disruptive conduct in a shelter , presents an escape risk, is in danger and is detained for his/her own safety, or is part of an emergency or influx of minors that results in insufficient bed space at nonsecure facilities" ( Flores v. Meese-Stipulated Settlement Agreement)

For clarification- the current definition of Unaccompanied Alien Child (UAC) is: " A juvenile is classified as unaccompanied if neither a parent nor a legal guardian is with the juvenile alien at the time of apprehension, or within a geographical proximity to quickly provide care for the juvenile."

According to CBP, 45,704 unaccompanied minors were intercepted on the Mexican border in FY2018. That is 7230 more than 2017. It is not easy to predict how many kids are going to show up at the border in any given time period. Or how many families. For FY2018, 90,563 families were caught at the border.
It is easy to say “lets not detain anyone”. But that does not solve the actual problem of what to do when a 12 year old shows up with someone claiming to be her uncle, or just by herself, and especially when it is thousands of such kids. I suppose some sort of temporary local foster home might be a solution, but many of the rural south Texas counties where these kids show up might not be able to come up with thousands of extra foster homes on short notice. Also, such a system would make it much logistically harder for case workers to process family reunifications than some sort of centralized overflow facility might.

Looks like The Shoveller is back in town.

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Now you are quoting from two different sources and your sources contradict one another. As a reader of your comments here, how can I take your comments seriously when you self contradict through your own sources intended to back up your claims. Additionally, both of your sources provide no source for their numbers other than the claim that the “State Dept Says” but without any reference to a report by State. I can only conclude that what is going on here is that you are making unsupported and contradictory claims in order to support your narrative. I would like to assume a good faith argument on your part but this makes it very difficult. In either case, your claim that 20K are brought across the Mexican boarder is not supported by one of your sources and as for myself, I’ve been unable to locate any report from State to back up your claims though I do allow for the possibility such a report may exist. However, your extraordinary claim of 20K people being trafficked through the Mexican boarder requires some extraordinary evidence which you have not provided so I have little choice but to discount your claim as unfounded until such time as you produce supporting evidence.

Odd that you don’t consider taking children from their families, locking them in concentration camps, and refusing the family access to their children anything but child abduction.

Thanks for the excellent article describing why it is so critical that we end the abductions and provide asylum to these people fleeing from the evils of international child abduction. Your link describes exactly why we should not be harassing these poor people for wanting to join Team USA to make our nation great.

But you don’t oppose them. You simply support child abduction and use them as your excuse. If you actually opposed them and not the innocent immigrants you would argue, as I do, for the elimination of these oppressive boarder policies and insist we move resources away from those efforts and redirect them to criminal and drug interdiction at the boarder. Unless you suspect a 10 year old child is a hardened drug kingpin, you have no standing to support the current system … if you claims about your motives are indeed the truth.

Perhaps you can understand why the rest of the world doesn’t consider your anecdote a sufficient reason to abduct children or enact racist boarder policies. Additionally, as this is your anecdote, your entire argument seems predicated on a personal grudge and personal grudges are not what we build our policies upon. It seems your time here has been revealed as a personal crusade against crossings at the Mexican boarder rather than an objective, reasoned, and dispassionate examination of the situation.
Consider that if we had redirected our resources away from stopping the innocent immigrants, we may have had the resources to have stopped this person who murdered your friend. Indeed, it may be the case that your friend would be alive today if our southern boarder policies where crafted in a more human, logical, and non-xenophobic way.

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Noun. tornillo (plural tornillos ) A small tree, Prosopis pubescens, native to Mexico and parts of the United States that has spirally twisted pods; the screwbean.

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Also know as screwbean mesquite.

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And they still don’t have to be put into god damn concentration camps.

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You keep citing internal CBP & ICE policies and court orders as evidence of what is being done in the real world, when it is well documented that CBP and ICE continue to violate their own rules and court orders every day. It does not enhance your credibility.

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We could use this same “argument” to cage every minor who walks through the door at Walmart

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