-Towards Animals suffering more in the wild
—See Factory Farms, in which animals are kept in death camp conditions or beyond
-Towards Animals not caring when they die
—Everything tends to care when it dies, a part of life is the avoidance of death, even if it is inevitable.
—See Cattle Prods
Calling people out for having an idea, no, a belief, and then going on to state that you assume that animals suffer more in the wild, isn’t a very strong argument.
You named two other vegetables.
I’ll pretend I didn’t hear. 
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Make sure you make your mashed potatoes and kale with a shit ton of butter and some milk. You will forget that you’re eating veggies, thanks to all the fat!
Taurine! I love it, and so can you!
One other veggie restaurant experience I wanted to share, because it was charming if not surprising. Disney parks, in general, really go out of their way to accommodate any sort of special diets, but when I went to the German Biergarten restaurant (basically a meat buffet) and asked about veggie options beforehand, a chef with a big mustache came out to the table along with the waiter. In a heavy German accent he said “I am the head chef. You are vegetarian, yes? What should I do for you?” I wasn’t quite sure what he meant and said so. “I will cook any food you want. You say what to make. I will cook it and bring it to you. Anything.” This was so unexpected I sort of stammered. “I make a German pasta for you! Yes? Good? It will be done!” he said brusquely. (It was good pasta.)
Stamppot with good rookwurst makes kale pretty edible, I used to make mine with bacon and caramelized onions. I miss rookwurst so much. It’s also perfectly edible in pasta primaverra if you throw in enough cheese. I also use it in veggie soup but that does end up with a pretty strong “green” flavour.
I’m pretty sure I could never eat it in salad no mater how long it gets massaged.
Our taste buds would have to hunt you down, and put you on trial for crimes against humanity.
Kale can have a bitter after taste for sure. I prefer it sauteed or baked, myself! [quote=“nytespryte, post:128, topic:83187”]
Stamppot with good rookwurst
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I’ve never had this! Sounds yum, though!
“It tastes like despair!!!”
Agree with that as a matter of principle.
I find the best kinds of places for a mixed group of vegetarians and carnivores are Indian restaurants. Indian vegan food is pretty substantial in options and flavors and most places have decent tandoori or simmered meat options for others.
To the horror of everyone in the Netherlands, I put hot sauce in mine because I’m Cajun and I can’t help it.
I’ll happily second this. Indian vegan food is so intensely flavorful that it’ll make any meat eater happy (if they like that sort of thing). Any indian place with “Udupi” or “Udipi” in the name will specialize in southern Indian vegan food (idli, sambar, vada, dosas, etc) and is worth checking out.
If I ever went vegan, I would learn how to cook Indian food at home.
There is something about food which was intentionally made to be vegetarian which I like better than using “meat substitutes” or swapping veggies for dishes traditionally using meat.
Personally I like cooking stuff which are “mostly vegetables” but not vegan. Stuff like mabo tofu which is tofu in a spicy sauce with ground meat mixed in or “homestyle” miso soup which in a Japanese household will have bits of pork belly floating in it (the stuff typically served in restaurants is dishwater).
this sounds delicious. can I replace the kale with sausages?
I’m really interested in what Beyond Meat is doing. They’re backed by Bill Gates and Biz Stone among others and are creating what sounds like really excellent veggie meats based on pea protein. It’s the closest thing to lab grown meat we’ve seen yet.
Another good source of tasty vegetarian, even vegan, dishes, is Levantine cuisine. Tabbouleh, hummus, spinach or pumpkin fayater, etc.
Ratatouille is also a nice vegan dish.
I’m coming in a day late, but… here goes.
Considering the damage that happened to our garden when one single cow escaped and came for a visit, I’m thinking that some areas would have trouble. It’s been years and I still haven’t forgiven old #38, even though she’s probably long gone by now.
Population density isn’t that high around here, even including cattle. So, it’ll be one-at-a-time yard and garden destruction, plus a lot of vehicle wrecks. Also, a cow can kill an unarmed person pretty easily, to say nothing of a bull that still has horns.
Where it would really get weird is in places near feedlots, like the one on I-5 in California.
What happens when thousands of cows take over a major freeway? I don’t want to be around when that shit goes down 
I’m not even cajun, and I’d put hot sauce on it!
