Whatcha Watchin'?, Season Two

Kripke is brutal.

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He is the one that coined it.

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I thought the potential exploitation was deliberate to the plot, and an important element.

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The film has been stuck in my thoughts since i watched it and after i typed that it did dawn on me that most of what he claimed was actually true. Maybe i’m over thinking it but i’m trying to be more aware of issues like this cropping up in films and such and while initially i thought they were exploiting him in order to just sell copy i guess it became more about two outsiders finding each other and it was very charming for that.

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That is the sort of thing (exploitation) that you notice a lot once you are sensitized to it. I saw this one not too long after it came out, and I’m surprised at how often I think of it for such a slight film.

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I’d forgotten what a fantastic two parter this is, the major thing letting it down being that it’s your typical Trek reset but you can only imagine if they’d committed to this going forward - getting the crew back together, gaining allies, fixing up the ship etc. Maybe it’s the times we’re living in but the moment Janeway and Tuvok say goodbye to each other left me teary eyed. Never was much of a Voyager fan though, so many missed opportunities but there were definite highlights like this.

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If you liked that episode, I recommend “Deadlock,” “Demon,” and “Course: Oblivion” - in that order. They build on those themes you mention and have very interesting scenarios.

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Thanks for the recommendation! Much funz so far.

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Voyager had some shining moments for sure… I think my problem with the show is that they regularly tried to cram too much into many episodes, so you never got a cool down at the end of the episode… They even did that with the end of the series, when Voyager gets back into the Alpha quadrant… it just sort of ended.

But it’s very much worth watching, as the cast is excellent and there are some great stories there.

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American Gods Season 3 trailer has dropped. Early 2021.

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I’m still mad they fired Orlando Jones…

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Looks like a dead Mad Sweeney is still somehow around, tho… I’ll be interested in how that plays out.

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More info

“ Neil Gaiman has since clarified that the cast members not returning for season three have not been “fired”, and that there are plans to bring them back in a prospective fourth season.

He told Digital Spy: “I think there was a lot of confusion and I think it probably could have been handled much better, and that’s including communicating with the cast over what was happening in this season, and what’s going to be happening in season four.”

“ The trailer shown at New York Comic-Con (more on that below) has also offered our first glimpse at two other new additions: Game of Thrones star Iwan Rheon as leprechaun Leon Doyle and Machete actor Danny Trejo as a new incarnation of Mr World.”

Quite a bit more. Blythe Danner, Marilyn Manson & Danny Trejo joining the cast.

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Yay! Boo! Yay!

As for Jones not in season 3, I think part of his anger was that he had taken on writing for pretty much all of the characters of color, in addition to the acting. it seems strange he would not continue in that capacity.

I do hope he returns for Season 4, as he could play a significant role in the finale of the show…

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I agree on the boo and the convenience of him coming back. Wait - he’s a fan fav? Let’s backtrack on that.

The show is going to depart significantly more from the source if that trailer is any indication - Shadow saying “I’m a god”?

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Oh yeah. Very much so. I’m reading a book on the Fenian Raids in Canada right now (cause it’s kind of a batshit story from Irish American history), but I might give American Gods yet another re-read again after that… I try to read it every few years, as it really is one of my favorites.

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I still feel like this show would have been much better as a single season mini-series. They are engaging in Hobbit-level stretching of the source material.

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I got the impression, in the novel, that Wednesday was trying to recruit Shadow to be the new Thor

but like many of the book’s ideas that thread didn’t seem to lead anywhere

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There is SUPPOSED to be a sequel, which very well could explore that… but Gaiman has been rather busy as of late with other projects (multiple Sandman thingies, Good Omens, etc). There was a short story, tho. Oh, and Anasi boys was part of the universe, too.

Also, I’ve never read the AG preferred text, which might include more resolutions, too.

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Good choices. They almost kinda nearly did commit in Deadlock but then next episode the ship is Utopia Planitia fresh again! I’m a big fan of Robert Picardo’s doctor as well so episodes with him central i often find favourable. I was sort of following along with the tor.com rewatch and just watching the highest rated episodes but season 4 has really kicked it up a notch so i’ve been moving forward.

I also think that the episodic nature of Trek back then really does Voyager a disservice when the plot is crying out for a long story arc but so so much gets dropped by the wayside and rarely (Maquis) or never (Tuvix) mentioned again.

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Yeah… no.

They lost me for good when they fired Orlando Jones; that show was already a hot fucking mess, narratively speaking.

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