Not all of us are.
No.
Because that’s far easier said than done; those most entrenched in positions of power are loathe to give them up.
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If I am to pay for a service, I’d rather be able to pay money directly to the person providing that service, rather than a CEO whom I have to trust will dole out funds fairly.
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So because some of people can make a living on tips, it’s a working system? Why can’t everyone make enough? Why NOT minimum wage instead of classifying tipped labor differently? Why give this cruel industry excuses to undercut people’s pay?
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Yes, but you are deciding who to give money to and how much, while the waiters have very little choice but to give you service. You may not short change the staff, but others will. We can require the the company to pay for set labor. Customer can’t go to jail for not tipping. There is a vast difference in the business model.
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I didn’t say or even imply that; please stick to replying to the comment as written instead of your own interpretation.
Some of us are very aware that the entire system of systems in the US is broken; legal, educational, justice, penal - all broken.
But simply saying “fix it!” does absolutely nothing to help achieve any kind of resolution… and even when there are viable solutions offered, there are often huge obstacles to getting them implemented.
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Yeah, so…Japan? I mean, that’s a really hierarchical society. Yet they manage to not abuse their citizens that they don’t need to worry about keeping a roof above their heads. Why are we so incredibly ok with broken system? Why give up?
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No one said that. However, until it is a working system, how about you tip when you know that the person who is providing you a service is underpaid. Not tipping doesn’t fix the system, only putting government pressure on employers will do that. Not tipping right now only makes people needlessly suffer and makes you look like a self-involved jerk.
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If not a better person, it at least makes the considerate person a better citizen.
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What about it?
Goody goody gumdrops for them if “everything is better!” over there; that has no bearing on my existence here in the US.
Like most of the world, I have no choice about where I was born, and I have no resources readily at my disposal to just up and move to another country.
Even if I did, that wouldn’t solve the overall problem.
Furthermore, you might want to examine your unfounded assumptions; the person whom you are addressing this very moment is not “okay” with the status quo, nor is she “just giving up.”
Hey, if the shoe fits…
I’ve seen a lot of snotty-ass classism in this thread; from pretentious attitudes about the service industry to comparing menial workers who perform an actual service to panhandlers on the street…
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I don’t think this is true. I’ve been to many places in Asia and Europe and, for the most part, tipping is not part of the norm there. In fact, a number of establishments frown on tipping because it leads to preferential service being given to people who can afford to give big tips.
Now many employees like tourists and will make as if tipping is the norm, because they’re used to getting tips from American tourists, but just because that bellboy lurking outside your hotel room wants a few rupees for hauling your bags doesn’t mean that tipping is expected.
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Agreed. Service work is tough, tiring, underpaid, and often unappreciated labor. And more often now, it’s not work being performed by teenagers for pocket money, it’s grown adults trying to make a living for themselves and sometimes their families. There needs to be a better system, but not tipping isn’t going to get us there - organized action and support for service workers who are working to change the system will, however.
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No, not everything’s good there, it’s a rigid society with lots of problems. But it is a modern, democratic system with large economy, just like ours. Also, they are same human beings, just like us.
They recovered from having lots of people out of job and homeless after their bubble burst. And we’ve done similar things ourselves. Why shouldn’t we take that as a hint that it’s not impossible to solve problems? Why can no other nation’s success can’t be taken into consideration? Take our stupid gun control issue, why can’t we do something?
What makes you think we are so fucking special?
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What makes you think you know me well enough to speak to me in such a manner?
No matter what the topic, or how strongly about it you may feel, the terms and CoC still apply; check yourself.
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This is very true. They know that Americans are generally generous while traveling and used to a tipping model. That said, the idea that gratuities are somehow an American invention is ludicrous.
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My point stands that some people enjoy screaming bloody murder rather than give a bellhop a dollar for handling their bag. That’s not “changing society”. It’s called being cheap.
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I tip 20% regularly.
No, what I mean is we shouldn’t conflate feeling sickened by the practice with being cheap. Same action, different intent.
I just want to let some of the posters here (like @nungesser and @Melz2) know that while I agree with everything they say, I’m going to stop liking their posts because ‘likes’ just reinforce an unjust society where you have to let someone know that they are speaking the truth rather than everyone else just immediately understanding and agreeing with their posts.
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I don’t really doubt that direct cash transfers to the poor are good, when done properly.
But begging has too many dark sides to be a viable option.
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I liked this post and i wanto to let you know that you are speaking the truth!
