White identity and sexism gave Trump the electoral college

[Max_Blancke]

I should have clarified the flag burning remark. Burning a flag as a form of protest is acknowledged as a protected activity, if the flag you burn is your property. I was referring to desecration of other people’s flags, especially veteran’s day memorial displays. I find that pretty disturbing.

[wrecksdart]

@SeamusAMurphy

Another factor: My son is in the Navy. He told me that there was a collective sigh of relief on his base after the election results. No one liked Trump, but they took very seriously Hillary’s saber rattling against Russia and the very real (in their opinion) possibility of Nuclear war. That is a big bullet to dodge.

And I was in the USAF, and I know plenty of officers and enlisted folks, active duty and retired. And every one of them was and is scared shitless of trump’s shocking willful disregard of [diplomacy, international relations, day-to-day governance, military defense, etc.], in addition to his comments about nuclear weapons. The “saber-rattling” nonsense only serves to mask trump’s willful ignorance of how our democracy actually works.

[gracchus]

I find it disturbing, too, but not because it’s a flag that’s being burned and not because it’s happening on a particular day. Taking other people’s things and destroying them is what most decent people (including other protestors and Bird Person) refer to as a “dick move.”

[gracchus]

I know a few retired Marine officers. None of them liked Clinton, but they were genuinely scared of the kinds of conflicts a “loose cannon” could bungle us into.

[wrecksdart]

@gracchus

No-one knows what that clown will do with the U.S. military, but it will be bad.

He was repeatedly outsmarted on a fucking fucking fucking debate stage by one person in the span of thirty minutes, so I’m sure he’ll be super duper great at handling insanely complex international crises involving the military forces. Super duper.

[Phrenological]

And not easy to dupe into worldwide media threats on an entire nations lives nosirree.

[wrecksdart]

@some_guy

The one big reason the New Deal even came about was because of how serious and overwhelming the Great Depression was. If things once again get that bad then hopefully the Democrats can regain a strong enough majority to do something long-lasting

My only critique of your thoughts are to quote this from WP about America’s “Great Depression”:

Between 1929 and 1932, worldwide GDP fell by an estimated 15%. By comparison, worldwide GDP fell by less than 1% from 2008 to 2009 during the Great Recession

Should anything even close to that level of horrible befall the US, I don’t think we can draw any stable conclusion as to what might happen. Hell, the US is down to sub-5% unemployment rates and the best economic conditions in years right now, and yet the populace broke for Bankrupter-In-Chief trump.

[wrecksdart]

@llazy8

Clinton never really mentioned her policy in the campaign

Nonsense.

[anon61221983]

Indeed. Trump was the one who was maddeningly vague on his policy positions.

[Phrenological]

You really have to wonder about the intentions of a person who says this. It was in the debate it was on her website. They were I’d think impossible to ignore.

[anon61221983]

Of course, they didn’t go to her website. Why should they. They just think she was lying anyway.

[wrecksdart]

@Phrenological

You really have to wonder about the intentions of a person who says this. It was in the debate it was on her website. They were I’d think impossible to ignore.

You’re absolutely right. It just appears to be another “trump talking point” that’s being bandied about as if trump gave anyone anything even remotely understandable as policy. Sort of like how trump’s people are declaring their critics “racists” for calling them out on their own racism. Or that Democrats were being violent at trump rallies. Or that HRC’s “corruption” amounted to anything more than a hill of beans in comparison to trump’s Globo-Grifter Corp.

It’s fascism lite, and it’s sickening to witness.

[Phrenological]

An honest response would be that the media did not cover them, because Benghazi and Emails. This would be true.

[anon61221983]

@wrecksdart

Sort of like how trump’s people are declaring their critics “racists” for calling them out on their own racism.

Breitbart Editor Joel Pollak Insists They Have Nothing to Do With The...

[wrecksdart]

Shameful. What an awful human being (and what a non-surprise).

[gracchus]

I find it fascinating that Pollak is an Orthodox Jew defending an alt-right site run by an anti-Semite. I guess there will always be kapos who think they’ll be spared “this time” because others happen to be in the firing line ahead of them.

[anotherone]

An appeal to authority? Really?

[Daedalus]

@anon61221983

These issues are not at odds with class, but are interrelated with class. Until we understand this fact, we’re going to keep circling the drain of this issue.

I’d emphasize this, along with the idea that being reductive is not being useful. Racism and sexism did help give Trump the electoral college! Those things are exacerbated when economic conditions are lousy and the propaganda of fear is absorbed by the populace. If you pin this election on One Thing, you’re going to fail to stop the Trump Train in 2020.

[anon36081309]

@anon48584343

Fear outsells sex these days.

True dat.

[anon61221983]

Sure, but I’d argue/add/clarify we ignore all or some of them at our peril. Our inability to have a conversation about any of this without someone breaking down and think they are getting “blamed” for the way our system looks is part of the problem. We’re going to have to have a serious conversation about race, class, and gender/sexuality, without the people who have been on top of this system acting like utter babies. If we can’t do that, we’re fucked.