Why (or why not) to vote for Hillary Clinton

Unfortunately I saw the video earlier today.

Come on, you know that was a trained bird. Boy, Bernie Sanders and his campaign will go to any lengths to win an election; hiring a bird and paying it to work for a political campaign!

Being truthful, how unbelievable and amazing was that, l mean the bird looked right at Bernie. I thought if was going to take the microphone and start talking. We saw history today; that bird will translate into votes for Bernie.

I hope not, but unfortunately it appears tomorrow night will be a good night for Bernie and his supporters, especially after the shenanigans of that “Cutesy Little Socialist Bernie Bird.”

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Daneel, you know my comment was not an initiation, it was a response to a comment that mentioned voting for Hillary instead of Trump.

You are preaching to the choir about the democratic presidential nomination being far from conclusion–see my prior posts.

I must say, you seem to be changing your profile picture more than Bernie Sanders and his supporters cynically accuse Hillary Clinton of changing her social and political positions.

Enjoy tomorrow night, looks like it has the potential to be a good night for Bernie in all three caucus states. But don’t get to happy because New York is looming along with other actual primary states.

The democratic presidential primary is entering the 4th quarter, who will close out the race for the democratic presidential nomination.

A vote for Hillary will ensure she will.

Is the Zodiac Killer an improvement on Nixon or Rob Ford? :wink:

Optimistic for tomorrow’s caucus - Sanders just held a rally for about 20K people in Seattle.

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Fixed that for you.

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Using trained birds is exactly the kind of stunt I reckon the Sanders campaign should be resorting to, in order to level the playing field of media airtime a bit.

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Nick Xenophon is a great example…

Tim Costello describes him as an “incredibly playful” man with “a fantastic imagination”. It would be a mistake to emphasise the angst-ridden aspect of Xenophon’s character. Xenophon’s enthusiasm is infectious. He ropes Costello into his stunts. “I remember thinking, This is surreal. Why am I carrying a goat down Bourke Street?” That was in December 2008 to highlight a pre-Christmas “Presents Not Pokies” campaign against gambling. Xenophon once rode a toy car in the main street of Adelaide to publicise his stance against politicians’ perks. Most recently, he carried a black submarine cake with sparklers into Parliament House, to dramatise the fact that on the second birthday of the Coalition’s election win the government had not yet committed to an Adelaide build of the submarines.

Corny? Certainly. But how did the “accidental politician” rise without a known party brand, machine or funding? While seasoned politicians send out tedious press releases like postcards into space, the canny senator has been capitalising on the fact that everyone loves a joke. His stunts are clever visual gags. And they are about real issues, like the anguish of gambling addiction or politicians behaving in entitled ways. But they are dramatised in a way that makes the issue intelligible to people at a glance.

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Sooooo, 'because if you don’t vote Hilary, ‘the baddies will get us!’. Not that convincing an argument I’m afraid.

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Be careful! That didn’t work out well for Donald.

It looks like the USA’s wildlife knows what is good for the country.

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People keep saying things like this, I don’t understand what it means. I have caucused in Iowa (in '84) and for the past several elections in Hawaii, and the two processes are completely different. In Iowa we haggled over candidates. Here in Hawaii we show up at the polling place, move into the queue for our precinct, when we get to the end of the queue we are handed a secret ballot with choices (we had 5 yesterday including “uncommitted”), we mark the ballot, stuff it in an envelope, then leave if we like (or stay and discuss some local matters unrelated to to the nomination). How is this process different from a primary, and how does it favor one candidate over the other?

It certainly feels very much like the primaries in the “primary states” where I’ve lived and voted.

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There is a contingent of corporatist apologists / hangers on that fear someone getting into office that might mess with the status quo. Fuck’em.

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As opposed to the fake primary states that choose a candidate that you don’t like?

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Fake primary states?

I hope you are not among some of the Bernie Sanders supporters who believe in a “Bernie or Bust” philosophy.

It is very disturbing and disconcerting when far to many (thankfully not all) Bernie Sanders supporters say they will sit out the general election and help facilitate the election of a republican president if Bernie does not win the democratic presidential nomination.

Regardless who wins the democratic presidential nomination–democrats and independents who claim they lean democrat, need to support the winner of the democratic presidential nomination process, be it Bernie or Hillary.

Either Bernie or Hillary by far are better choices for president than any of the remaining republican presidential candidates.

Vote for democrats in all 50 states, up and down the ticket in 2016!:scream:

Well states the vote using the caucus format, versus the primary format are different.

Bernie has to date had his greatest success in states that use the caucus format and are predominantly marked by a lack of ethnic diversity.

I have not seen it talked about this election cycle, about the Jewish vote, which was also a part of the Obama coalition in 2008 and 2012.

Wonder how the Jewish vote has broken during this democratic presidential nomination election cycle?

Too bad. If your astroturf bosses need those votes to keep the White House for their party, they’d better make sure Sanders gets the nomination.

No they do not. Sorry buddy.

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I think Enso was commenting on how your phrasing discounts Hawaii, Washington, Alaska, Utah and Idaho as inconsequential states.

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Well, I’m certainly not voting for another Clinton.

I’m not a member of the Democratic Party so I’m under no onus to “toe the party line” and vote a party ticket. If the Democratic Party offers a shit candidate, I’m not voting for…her.

Good luck. I’m a socialist.

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Exactly.

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If the argument from Clinton supporters is that the important thing is to vote Dem, and the argument from (a not insubstantial proportion of) Sanders supporters is that they won’t support Clinton, then surely its in the best interests of Clinton supporters to vote for Sanders? (or perhaps the same argument wouldn’t be being made if Sanders was leading the delegate count? That might be unfair, because they did vote for Obama…)

Sanders is an interesting candidate, because he isn’t really a Dem. It’s one reason why I particularly like him, to be honest. And I suspect that his independence is a major part of his appeal. He’s not associated with Blue Dog Dems and their ilk.

I’m not convinced that everyone who is saying that they won’t vote for Clinton actually won’t, but they do have a perfect right to choose not to. If the Democratic Primary throws up a candidate that they are not prepared to support, so be it.

Unless you live in a real swing state, there’s no consequence to voting with your conscience anyway, since your vote (for President, anyway) isn’t really worth a damn thing.

As I mentioned elsewhere, I’ll be watching the Green Party’s vote this time around with interest, if Clinton is the nominee.

More than anything, I think Clinton should be exceedingly grateful that Elizabeth Warren declined to run.

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This is just tautological reasoning. If you think that what makes caucus states different is that they go for Sanders, you might as well just say “Bernie is going to do badly in states coming up because they are states in which he will do badly” rather than “because they are not caucus states.”

[quote]I have not seen it talked about this election cycle, about the Jewish vote, which was also a part of the Obama coalition in 2008 and 2012.

Wonder how the Jewish vote has broken during this democratic presidential nomination election cycle?[/quote]
Why are you asking?

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