Yes, her focus on his semantics is the leadership we need.
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The Jill Stein who ran for Vice President with Nader, and then again solo?
She is interesting , and smarter than I am, but having met her personally, I donât think she has a leadership role to play in our federal government. Great human being, more a beacon than a captain. my 2¢.
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I think the difference between Sanders and the other candidates is he is saying what he honestly believes, hoping that his message is clear and it converts to votes, while the others are trying to figure out whatever they need to say to get votes.
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When Hillary Clinton considers the unprecedented request to release her paid speeches to the media, she should consider the following as well.
Why is this request an issue?
What and who is behind this unprecedented request?
What is the purpose of this unprecedented request?
If the media, Bernie Sanders, his campaign or surrogates have proof that Hillary Clinton has ever supported, introduced or helped pass legislation that has been disproportionately and economically beneficial to Wall Streetâthen let them prove it.
Hillary Clinton should only pledge to release her paid speeches once the media, Bernie Sanders, his campaign or surrogates provide proof that Hilary Clinton has ever made comments supporting or pledging to introduce legislation which gives a disproportional economic and beneficial advantage to any Wall Street institution or organization.
Hillary Clinton should continue to champion the economic and social successes of the Democratic Party under the leadership of President Obama and his administrationâsomething the Republican Party never will. Unemployment at a eight year low, 4.9âas wages rise.
There are democratic presidential primaries outside of Iowa and New Hampshire. Hillary Clinton won Iowa, Bernie Sanders is widely predicted to win New Hampshireâthen comes Nevada, South Carolina, Super Tuesday and the rest of America, where many of the states have more diverse voters who are representative of the ethnically and socially diverse Democratic Party.
If there are enough people trying to take your personal property away from you to succeed then the society probably failed long before that point, because of people not protecting other peoples freedoms.
The goal is to create a society that can stand up to arseholes or authoritarians without becoming arseholes or authoritarians themselves. I donât claim that it will be easy, I just think it is worth working towards.
(Other days I would try to do a better job explaining this. This is the best I can do for now)
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I donât think government exists to create that space.
That is an individual choice, and not subject to external controls, or even really external influences. Protecting the freedoms of others, at your own expense, is a choice.
Excusing ones own behavior from the rules one wants to be treated by⌠busting the golden rule if you want to⌠thatâs not a uniquely left, right, or center behavior.
Some people want to see the world burn. Some people enjoy lying and stealing.
Iâd like to see it Bern, and give everything I âownâ away
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it is not without precedent. Look at the request and stop characterizing it.
where many of the states have more diverse voters
what causality are you inferring without saying, here?
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Another good response by Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton to this unprecedented request to release the transcripts of her paid speeches, would be to pledge to release the transcripts of all of her paid speeches onlyâafter all the current third party, republican and democratic presidential candidates release all their transcripts of paid speeches.
That would avoid the perception of sexism and bias by the media (specifically the request by debate moderator Charles David âChuckâ Todd during the last democratic presidential debate), in favor of any male political candidate (like the male republican presidential candidates) or Bernard âBernieâ Sanders, his campaign staff or political surrogates.
lather, repeat.
Rinse.
No amount of repeating this fiction will cause it to be a narrative.
If your stories catch on, Iâll invest in aluminum futures.
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. As he says, âI donât believe the government should control the means of production, or take over the grocery store down the street.â
Thatâs not and never has been communism or socialism though, unless youâve somehow finally managed to make a government the idealized perfectly responsive corruption-free ur-Democracy.
Plenty of state-capitalist authoritarian states have called themselves socialist or communist and some of them even started that way, butâŚâCommunist governmentâ is a contradiction in terms given that communism is supposed to be stateless in addition to classless. The former USSR was no more socialist than Germanyâs âNational Socialistsâ were.
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Of course it has. What Bernieâs talking about isnât idealized communism, itâs Soviet-style communism (which I guess should have quotes around it?), where the government controlled food production as well as distribution to the workers. Thatâs what people are imagining when they think of communism, not Marxist socialism.
âŚNo, heâs not, and âsoviet-style communismâ wasnât communism or even socialism because, again, State (so not communism), and a de facto Class system (so not even Socialism either).
What Bernie Sanders is talking about is a Welfare State, which is unquestionably still totally capitalism, but makes things a little better for the lower classes (though it doesnât do much about the fucked-up societal forces that caused that class system in the first place, nor does it actually give workers any more control over their workplaces).
Itâs a band-aid on the broken legs of the always-in-crisis system that is Capitalism, but hey, Iâll take minor short-term gains for the worst-off while working on the major long-term ones.
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Well, itâs certainly good Bernieâs got you here to correct him and speak for him. You should probably let him know that he doesnât know what communism is.
To clarify: Yes, i am aware that the governmental system of the USSR wasnât Communism. Thatâs why I said I should put it in quotes. But, again, what I mean is that culturally, when people say âcommunismâ, they think of the Soviet government. You can argue semantics all you want, if thatâs your idea of a good time, but what Bernieâs saying is still true: Democratic Socialism does not mean that the government would have anything to do with communism.
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Oh FFS. Would you prefer an echo chamber? Or a lectern?
To clarify: Yes, i am aware that the governmental system of the USSR wasnât Communism. Thatâs why I said I should put it in quotes. But, again, what I mean is that culturally, when people say âcommunismâ, they think of the Soviet government. You can argue semantics all you want, if thatâs your idea of a good time,
oh, HE can if HE finds it fun, you state, just after finishing off your semantics? FFS dude, take 5.
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I would prefer people to not pretend to speak for Mr. Sanders and to correct his terminology when they know perfectly well what he means.
Er, yes. Iâm explaining to Mr. Drew_G the difference between his definition of scholarly, Marxist Communism and what Bernie Sanders (and most of Americans) think about when they say âcommunismâ. Not sure why I should âtake fiveâ or why thatâs an issue, but, uh, okay, Mr. Moderator!
Gee, what would I do without you here to explain things I already know in a condescending way?
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I dunno, not start an argument in the first place by pretending not to?
When clearly ONLY YOU know what Bernie really means.
otoh, it was an opinion, and you;ve demeaned someone for having a different one.
I really recommend 5 minutes offline. Or however long your humility timeout is.
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Havenât you worked out this guy is a nerf ball? Stop bothering.
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I dunno, not start an argument in the first place by pretending not to?
Again, who is doing that? Are you sure it is not you?
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