Look, everybody knows that you canât Make America Great Again without burning it all down first. But this time, once the fire is out, us Normal Americans will end up on the top of the pile of ashes, somehow. We havenât planned out how yet. But, beyond voting for Trump, we havenât planned out the âburning it all downâ part yet, either. Oh, well. We can burn that bridge when we come to it.*
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- Trump 2016!
When did 80s style CEO focused business practices start to get blames on democrats in office a decade later?
Trade agreements or not, the wealthy stay wealthy because the legal protections and baseless speculation about the âquality of executive staffâ you get with blockbuster contracts. Itâs even when major league sports or pop musicians changed their business models to squeeze every drop from the consumer to fuel the larger and large chunk of revenues they felt justified dipping into. Add in shareholders being absolutely bulletproof for any decision they push (executives being a gatekeeper or not) and having insurance on their investments in court, and wages are not going to go up.
I agree that trade agreement value to the United States is minimal, but Bernie was never correct that the global economy hasnât tremendously improved the lifestyle of the third world significantly. As much as I dislike what trade agreements do to people in my life I canât deny that globally it has been a benefit.
I support his opinions on the tax code, shifting national defense spending, etc. and I feel that part of what our government should be doing is improving our infrastructure (both traditional and the mostly privatized modern systems) - but I feel that he has danced around the racial aspects to the support for severing trade agreements and making a stronger national economy.
ECHIDNE OF THE SNAKES has an interesting demographic break down of the vote here:
Damn, it would have been nice if this guy would have been your president. Nothing to be done about it now. If I wasnÂŽt buried in work, IÂŽd make a poster with a blue and red Trump/Clinton hybrid monster saying âNO HOPEâ on the bottom.
It says something peculiar about the US psyche that people would only vote for Bernie if he was the nominee of the Democratic party. There is no practical reason why all of the people who were determined to vote for Sanders a couple of months ago canât still do so at election time. People are disturningly fickle.
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Nice Catch!
Iâm ready to flip the checker board over. Just go ahead and dare me DNC.
sounds like a plan
There are 2.
- He wont be on the ballot
- If they wrote him in, youâd get President Trump
You do realize Clinton will be running on the most leftist platform since⊠well at least FDR?
Naturally, that means itâs time to throw the election to a sociopathic huckster who will destroy the planet through climate change, if he doesnât destroy it through outright nuclear war.
I donât buy this. If we had a control world where we didnât have those trade agreements we might know one way or the others, but honestly I think technology has improved the lives of the third world significantly and that trade agreements seem to be written to restrict access to technology rather than to provide it. People say, âYeah, but how would they ever get the technology otherwise?â but, itâs really hard for me to imagine a world with fast global travel and even faster information sharing where somehow entire continents are kept in the dark.
If you actually read Clintonâs platform itâs got lots of great stuff in there. Then you say, âOkay, this is what you are promising us, but what did you promise Goldman Sachs?â and she says, âNot telling!â
I donât think itâs her platform thatâs really at issue, I think a sizable number of people think she is totally untrustworthy, and the that best elements of her platform simply wonât be implemented.
No, I think its time for Clinton to get the fuck out of the way.
Those are obvious, but I think not very practical.
Being given a choice is not the same as making a choice. The processes of determining who makes it onto ballots is fraudulent anyway. Choosing between the R and D nominees is practical for the leaders of those parties, but not for the average person. Like any other job, I prefer to simply hire who I think is most qualified - without the baggage of their friends, affiliates, cronies, hangers-on, etc. These parties for their own sake are so broad as to be meaningless.
I think that this is reasoning which is circular with regards to my comment above. There appears to be a âcommon senseâ notion that write-in candidates are never viable, because they are not endorsed by one of these two parties. That is precisely the kind of âsomething peculiar about the US psycheâ that I was referring to.
How does that help Americans living in America? You know, the ones that are pissed off and capable of voting?
He doesnât even command a majority of Dem voters (granted - not saying he couldnât command a majority of left-leaning voters). How would you convince people who support Clinton not to vote for her and instead write-in for Sanders? If you donât, you split the vote. Itâs also possible that an insurgency from the left as a third candidate would force Clinton right, to get more votes from wavering Republicans.
I wanted Sanders to be the candidate. But he isnât.
Personally, I wouldnât vote for Clinton unless I really had to, but an organized attempt to win as a third party (without even the support of the person youâre proposing to vote for?). Voting for Sanders/Stein now is only a protest vote (and I applaud those, generally - but not if theyâll materially affect the result in the worst possible way). One of my countries just committed suicide. I donât want the other one to follow it.
Goldman Sachs is on the Left?
