Donno, I’m not an antisemite nor did I feel the need to give Anders Breivik an audience. Or was this a rhetorical question to try to lure me into refuting a genetic fallacy?
If you are interested in the origins, Mr Wiki will get you started
enjoy.
Too bad you missed the thread on Nazis and Nazi apologists!
Cultural Marxism is the Movement Conservative / Nativist theory that a handful of Jewish refugee sociologists that escaped Hitler were able to conquer America secretly using their cosmic Jew superpowers, like Hitler warned about. To believe this, you sort of have to buy into Hitler’s theories about how dangerous Jews are and how they are always able to bootstrap themselves from refugees to international puppet masters. It also sort of implies that Hitler was on the right track with the Holocaust, but he was just too much of pussy to get the job done. If Hitler had just tracked down and killed these dozen Jews, he would have saved America!
Or maybe it’s just that American conservatives were terrified of Jewish refugee sociologist and the terrible things they might say about the John Birch Society.
(wikipedia)
Many of the conservative attacks on “cultural Marxism” have dwelt on an alleged Jewish involvement in the current. Psychology professor Kevin B. MacDonald gives “cultural Marxism” as an example of Jews "pursuing a Jewish agenda in establishing and participating in these movements.[14][15][16]
Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik placed this critique of “cultural marxism” as a cornerstone of his ideology.[17]
According to Richard Lichtman, a social psychology professor at the Wright Institute, the Frankfurt School is “a convenient target that very few people really know anything about… By grounding their critique in Marxism and using the Frankfurt School, [cultural conservatives] make it seem like it’s quite foreign to anything American. It takes on a mysterious cast and translates as an incomprehensible, anti-American, foreign movement that is only interested in undermining the U.S.” Lichtman says that the “idea being transmitted is that we are being infected from the outside.” [18] Lichtman’s critique parallels that of rhetorical critic Edwin Black who demonstrated how John Birch Society co-founder Robert Welch used a similar disease metaphor in his writings and speeches during the “Red scare” era of the 1950s and 60s.[19]
The Southern Poverty Law Center describes Lind’s theory as “one that has been pushed since the mid-1990s by the Free Congress Foundation — the idea that a small group of German philosophers, known as the Frankfurt School, had devised a cultural form of Marxism that was aimed at subverting Western civilization”. The SPLC reports that this theory has been taken up by “a number of hate groups”.[20]
See also David Duke on “Cultural Marxism”
World Net Daily - “Who Stole Our Culture?”
Spoiler alert - It was the Jews!
White Supremacists on StormFront praising Pat Buchanan regards “Cultural Marxism”
It’s often a good idea to see how popular an idea is over at StormFront.
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t695205/
“Cultural Marxism” at White Supremacist Vanguard News Network (Motto: No Jews! Just right!)
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/category/cultural-marxism/
Lyndon LaRouche on “Cultural Marxism”
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I see you are still holding out hope that I will take the genetic fallacy bait so you can try to snooker me into defending Hitler, Breivik and David Duke. No worries, I dont take it personally. As a matter of fact, I’m glad to get that Godwin shit out of the way early.
You seem to be well versed in the antisemetic, racist subculture. Myself, I stumbled upon critical theory in the late 90s as I was researching propaganda, for lack of a better word. I have slogged thru some of the source documents. deep stuff.
So, let me ask you… while we are on the subject…are there any atheists or vegetarians* in these racist groups?
The thing I find so funny about the people who go on about “Cultural Marxism” is how blissfully unaware they are that as a concept is entirely the opposite of actual Marxism. Marxism sees culture as something that is generated by the underlying economic relations of society. Attempting to shift culture first is a profound waste of time, because it’s constantly being pulled back to where it started so long as the economy remains capitalist. Hence the Marxist emphasis on building mass worker’s movements to seize the means of production, because that is the only place where the battle can be won.
The Frankfurt School, insofar as it can be considered a unified school of thought (or all that Marxist), still saw the culture they wrote about as primarily the product of capitalist modernity. Their critique of contemporary culture was certainly intended to help construct a revolutionary praxis, but they well understood that revolutions ain’t made by convoluted theory. And certainly not the weird rendition of their theories produced in the fever hothouses of the right wing imagination.
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Hey, just to let you know…full disclosure, and all that… I’m a trolley, ok?
You are supposed to be arguing against me, not finishing my sentences.
Critical theory, or the fruits thereof, is so inculcated into society I need only refer to comments in this very forum for proof. If you haven’t already, please read my original post in this thread.
Thanks for your input, appreciated!
I don’t think you get to wave off criticism of actual white supremacists because Godwin. That’s not how it works.
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No, sir.
YOU are the one talking about white supremacists. I don’t care what some racist believe… its immaterial. And frankly, I would prefer it if you would keep that racist screed to yourself.
BTW, how was your ‘Hitler was a vegetarian’ research? Any findings?
I am arguing against you, but you just don’t get it. Theory in Marxism is a guide for action, but it’s useless if it isn’t consciously understood. You can’t build communism by secretly slipping homoerotic undertones into everything. That just gives you fuckloads of Harry Potter slash.
So what you’re saying is you haven’t actually read the Wikipedia article you linked on the Frankfurt School. Because what you refer to as Critical Theory is nowhere close to the actual thing.
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Thats more like it!
Well lets be exact here, I’m not claiming that someone was slipping homoerotic undertones into things. I claim that when viewed through a modern filer, we see homoerotic undertones where none exist.
I feel so much better now, I thought we were on different pages there for a second.
Critical theory is a method of cultural marxism. For purposes of communicating with me the terms are interchangeable.
Yeah it actually does matter.
OK, look I get it you’re basically someone who has a computer whose personal motto would be “I like saying stuff!”
So now you are going with the Shocked Church Lady Routine.
And that’s followed by the trolley Reading Assignment.
And then comes trying to get people to stay up until 4:30 AM because you’re lonely.
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I’m beginning to get the impression that you don’t like me.
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Whether the subtext is there or everyone is conditioned to see it has exactly what to do with Marxism? Besides the part where “Cultural Marxism” doesn’t actually exist outside of the minds of Birchers, the whole concept goes off the rails for me in how this strategy of subconsciously focusing everyone’s minds on sex actually leads to communism. And we’re not even talking about the mechanics of how this is done, considering the vast majority of mass media is a profit making business, which broadcasts what makes money like sex.
Hey wait! We could argue capitalism is perverting our minds by making us think about sex all the time so we all support capitalism. I call it Cultural Capitalism. I will tediously explain it in the comment threads, and misinterpret praxeology, and claim it was all a plot of the Austrian School. Western Civilization has been doomed since marginalism became our theory of value. Fuck you von Mises!
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Before I attempt to answer that let me ask you. Are you aware of what the crisis of socialism in the West was? You seem to be well versed on the subject and I don’t want to bore you and get too far off topic with with a rehashing of it.
Well its bigger than that… to be continued.
Also, Western civilization is not unique in being sexually oppressed, and was there ever a dictatorship that wasn’t sexually oppressive. And sexuality is mostly used to sell us consumer goods.
As I was saying yesterday Wilhelm Reich said that Nazism was rooted in rural Christian religious and sexual hysteria among the rural religious Volk who were eager to curtail civil rights to prevent the country from falling into sexual anarchy (Jews and Christians mixing freely)
One of the more surprising things about “The Rise and Fall Of The Third Reich” is how prudish the Nazis really were. It’s not that they were loose sexually, it that they were accusing each other of being amoral as party politics to get each other fired.
There is also a considerable amount of material in Mein Kampf where Hitler promises strict sex and morality censorship of all types of media, an end to prostitution, and the promotion of early marriage through state subsidies. This was the preferred method of preventing VD rather than condoms, and Hitler wanted to establish the nazis as the anti-syphilis party (syphilis being the AIDS of that era).
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If I say no, you’re not going to wrongly explain Gramsci’s idea of cultural hegemony to me are you?
Ohhh, do tell. It might help me in getting this communism thing off the ground again since it cratered in '89.
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Exactly! How would you know that if you disagree?
Anyway, moving on…
Traditionally in West, overt sexuality is a taboo. By removing the taboo it removes impediments to collectivist thought.
How is this relevant to the topic at hand? The half clothed men, bathing in the jungle. It, in and of itself, a critique of Western Culture. This is not to mention the comments that there is a sexual connotation to it.
Any more patronizing remarks or questions for me?
While the Nazis certainly had some weird ideas about sex, I don’t think that quite explains their appeal to rural Germans. The Nazi vision of an agrarian empire to the east full of pure Aryans had its appeal, but their promise of immediately hiking import tariffs and fixing prices to protect farmers against cheap North American grain at a time of already low commodity prices during the Great Depression was a very important part of their popularity.
Also they were backed by big business. Whatever strange theories fascism expounds, it is ultimately a servant of business in times of capitalist crisis. The agrarian populist wing of the Nazis, which was actually quite hostile to capitalism, was purged by 1934. The linked images showing how the Nazis paid off for business are from this book, which is a highly interesting account the Nazi economy.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoqGksZIgAA4DF9.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoqGktKIQAAZFsd.jpg:large
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Ha ha, seriously, that’s it? Why did Marx write that excruciatingly long three volume book called Capital when he could have saved everyone time and dedicated his life to fucking in public?
Sexual repression is neither unique nor inherent to the West. And it’s not like people seeing sex in everything is some recent invention. Ever read Chaucer? Or Aristophanes? He’s got a play about boners. Don’t even get me started on Satyr plays. The foundations of Western drama are plays about goatmen screwing.
I’ve got an endless supply for trollies.
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We are talking about two different things *sigh*
When I talk about “Cultural Marxism” you do see the word “Cultural”, no?
The crisis of socialism in the West wasn’t an economic problem, it was a cultural problem. Western epistemology, particularly Protestantism, was not susceptible to collectivist thought.
Lysistrada was about boners? I thought it was about ‘female empowerment’.
To the larger question, those things are kinda dated, and tame in comparison to modern norms, wouldnt you say?
Well, I have been nothing but polite with you. And I have kept the cattiness to a minimum.
But, its to be expected. As they say “You know you are over the target when you start getting flak”
