#1 By: Cory Doctorow, December 17th, 2013 18:10
#2 By: Cary, December 17th, 2013 18:17
I'm assuming that the NSA threatened to release some CBS exec's porn surfing search logs...
#3 By: Fascinoma, December 17th, 2013 18:30
And here I was worried! Luckily, the NSA have proven yet again that they are incompetent at everything, and the only thing that keeps them employed is a lack of oversight, no review, no outrage due to media manipulation and an easily distracted general populace, and "patriotism" packaged as easy to repeat war chants like "nine eleven" and "terrorism".
Are they hiring? I'd like to do nothing all day and get paid for it.
#4 By: bobo, December 17th, 2013 18:31
There's no chance this piece was going to be anything other than garbage. I'm not even sure why it needed a rebuttal, it's just adding to the noise.
#5 By: solstone, December 17th, 2013 18:32
Perhaps it was more of an explanation of how 'stuffing' works, related to that threat...
#6 By: Fascinoma, December 17th, 2013 18:41
I think there needs to be more negative noise, because they're flagrantly disregarding every concern about it. They're not even pretending to care or that anyone can stop them, because no one can or will. Of course, if you could actually get the idea that the NSA is bad into the Facebook mainstream consciousness, then they might be forced to actually care.
#7 By: Ian McLoud, December 17th, 2013 18:42
For years I've espoused the excellence of 60 Minutes as one of the best programs on television. I suspect I will continue to feel this way, but it has been a rough month or so.
This segment was as bad as indicated. The only positive was the intriguing level of access given to the cameras, but the rest was unbearable.
The two most glaring issues were a) As stated, the glaring lack of any counter-opinion and b) This powder-puff interview style of a "journalist" I'd never seen on the program before.
It appears that some level of production/editorial oversight has been lost. Here's hoping they can right the ship and return to greatness. We need more honest, true, expose journalism, not less.
#8 By: Spocko, December 17th, 2013 18:43
Mike Wallace is probably rolling in his grave. Maybe his son Chris could have asked some hard hitting questions.... just kidding. We're fucked.
I'm watching a show out of Sweden about a crime reporter. It's almost hilarious to watch knowing that that model of journalism, where you probe and ask tough questions, doesn't exist much in America anymore.
#9 By: Tim, December 17th, 2013 18:43
I haven't watched that show in some time. Do they just let sponsors step in as "guest journalists" now?
#10 By: Michael Darnton, December 17th, 2013 18:51
There's an occasional bleat about how newspapers are folding and journalism is dying. We're not seeing death--we're watching suicide. The irony is that these people will lose their jobs whining about how no one cares about the news anymore while it's obvious to the rest of us that THEY are the ones who don't care about the news.
#11 By: bobo, December 17th, 2013 19:04
I agree, the public needs to demand a stop to this activity. But this is mere Internet bickering, IMO the sides remain polarized while hot heads spew counter points until it exhausts the patience of everyone involved. I think in the end people want it to go away instead of wanting it to be resolved.
Not that I think the rebuttal is the problem... 60 minutes never should have agreed to this trash either.
#12 By: Sean Lally, December 17th, 2013 19:22
Looking forward to hearing the On The Media coverage...
edit: actually referring to http://www.onthemedia.org/
#13 By: IMB, December 17th, 2013 19:22
I think the great times are over.
*See Lara Logan and the lie, and the puffy tripe that was the Leon Pannetta interview on torture.
#14 By: Eksrae, December 17th, 2013 19:43
A small part of me is quietly hoping that they're setting the NSA up for a one-two punch, where they do another interview and they use every lie and contradiction in the first report against them, but that's wishful thinking.
I miss the old days when they actually had a "Point, Counterpoint" segment at the end of the show.
#15 By: James Friess, December 17th, 2013 20:28
#16 By: robotmonkeys, December 17th, 2013 20:45
I'm sure Howard Kurtz will say that 60 Minutes really found it legs again and gave a "hard-hitting" report that really explained why we need to learn to embrace mass survelience and the secret police state, lest we forget that tragic day 12 years ago when 3000 brave Americans were killed, and we give up our way of life and let the terrorists "win".
It's safe to say that MSM is just a propaganda tool for the entrenched interests of society, and ceased being Fourth Estate decades ago.
#17 By: IMB, December 17th, 2013 21:05
You can watch 60 Minutes online.
#18 By: Stu, December 17th, 2013 21:40
#19 By: robulus, December 17th, 2013 21:46
I watched the opening episode of season 3 of "Homeland" the other night.
When they were all sitting around looking very serious in the closed court room, talking about how "if this information got out, it would be the end of the CIA" I almost pissed myself laughing.
End of the agency?
There's nothing a few bullshit press releases and a smear campaign can't fix. Absolutely nothing.
#20 By: lafave, December 18th, 2013 00:39
A top U.S. official was honest enough to tell reporters: look, we lie to you constantly and you're a moron if you believe anything we say. He also honestly expressed his total contempt for them and intention to manipulate news coverage by dealing directly with their management and employers.
Moreover, Sylvester (who before going to work for the Pentagon had been the Washington correspondent for the Newark News) put his beliefs into practice at key moments of history. He lied about what the U.S. knew about Soviet missiles in Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and personally told the key lies about the Gulf of Tonkin incident (listen to him here). And word was passed to Safer's superiors at CBS that "Unless you get Safer out of there, he's liable to end up with a bullet in his back."
This is such important information about how politics and the media work that it should be taught to everyone in 2nd grade. It's not.
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