Americans believe things

They may be looking at this:

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There are four ownership approaches listed on that site. Two of which are very similar to the typical corporate structure found in the U.S. Only one qualifies as ā€œGovernment Managed Economyā€.

Clearly, Mr. Thompson knows even less then ā€œMillennialsā€ which disqualifies him from passing judgement on them.

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http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OrdersOfIgnorance

4th Order Ignorance (until you follow the link).

The full article: http://la-acm.org/Archives/laacm0512-Article%2002%20The%205%20Orders%20of%20Ignorance%20OCT%202000.pdf

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I did read all the links to BLS listed above, including yours; I am a somewhat obsessive reader. I provided a specific link to a number I suspect is more relevant to the context of the poll, and very possibly the context of peopleā€™s lives.

Right now I gather thereā€™s a fair bit of argument among academic economists of the true significance of the current low rate of labor force participation, and how much of it is due to extrinsic factors like retirement age, school, family, etc. (If one believes itā€™s mostly explained by the latter, then itā€™s hard to explain why there was a huge drop in it following the 2008 crisis.)

Without arguing too much about the proper economic interpretation of the labor force participation rate, however, Iā€™d argue that itā€™s certainly the value thatā€™s closest to the average personā€™s natural interpretation of ā€œemployedā€, and its inverse to the average personā€™s natural interpretation of ā€œunemployedā€. I feel pretty sure itā€™s got more to do with the latter than any of the usual U-1 to U-6 stats.

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There are a lot of definitions of socialism, capitalism, free market, etc.

Is the emphasis on free or on market? IIrc, Misesians and neoliberals insist that the important thing is a market in capital goods [do political favors and artificial property count as capital goods?]. : p

Which leads to the question of which begat which. Are people simply ignorant of those statistics, or do they fail to believe them for political reasons? Iā€™m inclined to believe the latter.

What nonsense. How dare you post that false number! The percentage of made-up stats is 76% !

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Itā€™s funny how media shapes your perception of the world. Growing up I assumed there were a lot of Jews in the US. I didnā€™t know any, but I assumed that was because I lived in a very small town. We didnā€™t have any black people living there either, but I was aware they existed on TV or in travels. I just assumed by their prevalence on TV that Jews were at least 10% of the population. Maybe more like 20%. I remember thinking if I met a Jewish kid Iā€™d try not to make them feel bad about Christmas. It seemed like every show at least one Jewish kid. I remember the day I looked up the stat and saw it as like 2%. Blew my mind.

Though now I love it when I find facts that contradict conventional wisdom.

I doubt itā€™s ā€œpolitical reasonsā€ for most people, since that presupposes an active decision to disregard facts. Americans are not, in general, politically conscious. Uncritical consumption of media and failure to examine existing stereotypes both have more to do with skewed perceptions than does willful ignorance.

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Itā€™s not real made up statistics, unless you can specify an error bound.

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I think that we are mostly saying the same thing except that Iā€™m classifying

and those skewed perceptions as fundamentally political choices.

However, more active disregarding of data for political reasons is real; the Romney campaign did it in the last presidential election. They basically didnā€™t believe polling which did not come from their own, or politically allied, sources:

And also, that statements carry more political weight if appended with a famous name.
Albert Einstein.

Canā€™t seem to find any information on whether the differences between countries are statistically significant. Did I miss something?

Well, you could say that, I guess, but it would make complacency a political choice as well. I think being apolitical is only a choice if your environment predisposes you toward being political. Otherwise, itā€™s just reflexive.

Absolutely, though I donā€™t think itā€™s as common as just plain apathy. Most people have to deal with a certain amount of cognitive dissonance in their lives, and denying reality is the worst way to go about doing that.

Did all of the people who answered that socialism is the better system answer the second question? I am a socialist and believe that state managed economies are just as bad as free market ones, although for different reasons. Iā€™d rather have workers self management instead.

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In rethrospect, that may have been the worst quote to pull from the original article, which has more examples of ideological incoherence.

Itā€™s a little bit higher in the regions are movies and TV mostly get made.

Itā€™s higher in major metropolitan areas rather than rural areas becauseā€¦bigotry. Same as for LGBT folks. That happens to include the main areas where movies and TV are made.

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